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The Cruz/Mandela Dilemma (Vanity)
Original Content | Dec 10, 2013 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 12/10/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by Lazamataz

Nelson Mandela, the former President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999, died recently at the age of 95. Senator Ted Cruz is attending his funeral today, and is likely to speak of Mandela in positive terms.

This is causing many of my conservative brethren (and cistern) much consternation. Some have even gone so far as to abandon him, politically.

I ask that those who are concerned, and especially those who have 'crossed him off their list', rethink their position. I suggest that Mandela is a complicated figure, and one that defies simple analysis. There is an evil side to Nelson Mandela, no question. There is also a good side to him. He faced a really heinous and oppressive system, and sometimes good men must do evil to achieve good results.

Let us say our system continues the slide to tyranny, and a few people you personally know, love, and respect need to stoop to the tyrant's level to re-acquire freedom. This is a probability, at this point, not just a possibility, so it's less of a thought-experiment, and more of a situation you will need to face.

Apartheid was not acceptable. Neither, too, is the creeping tyranny we find America drifting into. Horrible acts may be committed by good men who have good motivations. It is unpleasant, but it is reality. You cannot fight some tyrannies with a vote and a protest sign. Sometimes it gets deeper than that.

Those men, these actors, who acted against evil, are they themselves evil because of their actions? To an extent, yes. But they are also good, because of their motivations.

So it goes with Mandela.

I give Cruz a pass here --and suggest many of us do the same -- because he is recognizing the good. If Ted Cruz was pressed on the particulars of Mandela's uncivilized and horrible actions during the course of his life, I am certain he would disavow the evil acts of Mandela in the same breath, as he praises him for the good that Mandela wrought.


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(Please don't correct me on the cistern comment. It was a mild attempt at a little humor in an otherwise serious topic).
1 posted on 12/10/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Guenevere; Lakeshark; Cincinatus' Wife; bramps; onedoug

Submitted for your consideration.


2 posted on 12/10/2013 6:48:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

What good? There was no good in Mandela. He laid the groundwork for his own apartheid state.


3 posted on 12/10/2013 6:48:25 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Texas Fossil; angcat; dalereed; sunmars; Fresh Wind; rovenstinez; Ronin; 1_Rain_Drop

Submitted for your consideration.


4 posted on 12/10/2013 6:50:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Bump!


5 posted on 12/10/2013 6:50:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lazamataz
You could have called us your ditters.
6 posted on 12/10/2013 6:51:02 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Lazamataz; cripplecreek; GeronL; SoCal Pubbie
This sort of thing doesn't really bother me.

You gotta pay lip service to this sort of thing.

Like saying nice things about JFK a couple of weeks ago.

Just one of those things you have to do :/

Not Saying I necessarily like Cruz going to Mandela's funeral, but my opinion of either hasn't changed because of it.

7 posted on 12/10/2013 6:51:09 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Lazamataz

I would not blacklist the most conservatives guy to enter the senate in almost a century because of some historically ignorant remarks on the most airbrushed character in modern history.

Some might, but those are the people who then complain when a Mitt Romney gets our presidential nomination thanks to them.
Nah, I’m still on board the Cruz ship. Will defer to the Paul submarine if Cruz doesn’t run though.


8 posted on 12/10/2013 6:51:25 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Lazamataz
Is Mandela's pal Fidel Castro going to be there?


9 posted on 12/10/2013 6:51:32 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you for posting this and for your comments.

This Mandela saga (this week) shows me that conservatives have been duped by academia/media nearly as much as have the gullible libs.


10 posted on 12/10/2013 6:52:17 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Altura Ct.; DoodleDawg; PghBaldy; tina07; carriage_hill; Vaquero; Moonmad27; Rodney Dangerfield

Submitted for your consideration.


11 posted on 12/10/2013 6:53:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Olog-hai

Cruz is going to run for president, this is a good move to put him on the world stage. Remember, 99% of the earth believes Mandela is an angel so if Cruz disses this funeral, it will be used against him later.


12 posted on 12/10/2013 6:54:02 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: a fool in paradise
Raúl is there. Obama made it a point to shake his hand, too.
13 posted on 12/10/2013 6:54:29 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Lazamataz
Those men, these actors, who acted against evil, are they themselves evil because of their actions? To an extent, yes. But they are also good, because of their motivations.

Once you've overcome evil, don't you have a duty to point it out elsewhere rather than give aid and comfort to those who perpetuate it?


14 posted on 12/10/2013 6:54:36 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Olog-hai

Like any system that restricts human freedom, Apartheid was bound to fail. The only question was when and how. Yes, Mandela held abominable political views (although he apppears to have mellowed in his politics considerably by the time of his release from prison) but he at least guided Apartheid’s end to a reasonably soft landing. I’m just unhappy that F.W. DeKlerk hasn’t gotten credit for being the Gorbachev to Mandela’s Yeltsin; the former party appratchik who knew his beloved system was coming to an end. Haven’t heard his name mentioned once.


15 posted on 12/10/2013 6:54:38 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: bigtoona

Worrying about “the world” is what gets US presidents into trouble. The imperative is to worry about God, not Satan’s world.


16 posted on 12/10/2013 6:55:06 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: KC_Lion
You gotta pay lip service to this sort of thing.

KC? Is that really you? Kinduv like bowing down on one knee instead of both, isn't it?
17 posted on 12/10/2013 6:55:06 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree with the content of this post. We have people on this forum who are clueless when it comes to the big picture. For example, some wrote him off because he went on Jay Leno’s show.

We need to be part of the debate and then to direct the debate. Being Barry Goldwater on all issues is stupid.

I’m anxious to hear what Ted Cruz says.

Let’s retake the Senate and then the WH.


18 posted on 12/10/2013 6:55:12 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: steelhead_trout
Mandela was only out to institute his own version of reverse apartheid. I do not see that he ever mellowed on that stance; if he really did, he would not have stepped aside to let the ANC communists have the run of the place.
19 posted on 12/10/2013 6:56:51 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Texas Eagle

Mandela had some very serious issues with communist affiliation. He deserves to be called out on that.

Mandela was not a simple figure, and he defies a simple analysis. For his contribution to the downfall of Apartheid, he can receive some accolades.


20 posted on 12/10/2013 6:57:16 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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