Deal!!
Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969
they might not be lying... they may be deluded. That doesn’t speak well for their credibility either.
Again, the early Christians (1) didn’t write down the gospels until the adults of that time were dead, and (2) wrote down things that could not be true.
So they were in error, and we are trying to decide what was error and what was not. Gosh, what could go wrong with that?
To be fair, they call Herodotus ‘the father of history’ and he was notably credulous in putting down travelers tales. That doesn’t mean that his stories of people with one leg and a single large foot who lie on the ground and use their single large foot as a sunshade should be given credence. As evidence goes, it isn’t worth much.
Have G-d send me an email, or perhaps a phone call.
That is all that it takes.
That still wouldn't be enough. NO phone call and no email would suffice. You would not accept them as from God. You would find some way to explain them away. Even if you saw someone rise from the dead, you would not believe.
Luke 16:27-31 And [the rich man in hell] said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house—for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/crucifixion/1.html
So is it 3 days, 72 hours, after three days, on the third day, or after two sabbaths?
in the crazy mishmash of conflicting stories among the sources that you accept, which is right?
Or is it a crazy mishmash of conflicting stories because noone knows, and people competed to tell the most outlandish stories.
Rather like the holy relic salesmen when Helena, Constantine’s mother came to give official imprimatur on the local cult?
My favorite is when a woman had a headache, and they dug up three crosses. Each in turn was applied to the woman, and the true cross was selected, because it was after that one that she felt better.
If you believe that whopper, well, you will believe that Obamacare guarantees free blue cheese with every meal.
You’re attempting to deflect from the simple historical issue of whether Jesus claimed to be equal with God, which even his enemies acknowledged at the time.
I know you have already posted you reject the historicity of the claim, but it is so outlandish, so irrational, and so ridiculous that one needs to ask again how you can hold such a position which throws all the rest of recorded history into the trash bin.
yup
They were placed in the WPP.
"Why do you ask my name?" the angel of the Lord replied. "It is too wonderful for you to understand."
That is NO way that you KNOW the things you so easily claim.
YOU are relying on someone elses testimony.
I suspect you've blocked all mail from that Sender.
You know nothing - by your own admission.
You do NOT apply that same standard for 'believing' to the things you accept as you do to the things you reject.
You are only deceiving yourself.
Would you accept integers only; or would irrationals also be ok?
Let him hack me. Surely he knows how...
Like the story about the two hikers, good friends, far up into the Tetons.
One of them took a break to relieve his bladder, and was bit on the end of his male bit by a poisonous snake. He goes into shock and passes out.
His hiking buddy whips out his cell phone, and calls 911. The dispatcher connects him with a doctor, who tells him that for his friend to live, he will have to suck the poison out.
The damaged hiker awakes from his swoon, and tells his friend to call for help.
“Already did” says his friend. They say you are going to die.
I asked what verses tell you that Jesus asserted that.
Specifically, what verses in the New Testament do that. My limited recollection is that Jesus tried to avoid that, and in the Gospels, someone else always ends up saying it.
So what is your verse in the NT where Jesus claims to be divine?
I thought he taught that ‘the son of man’ or other intermediary phrases were the subject of his teaching.
But there is not evidence in stone that the evidence in stone means what you say it means.
Right in front of the highest court in his nation, Jesus said “I am he”. Specifically, that was the aramaic form of “ani hu” which was only uttered on high holy days by the priests at that time. Then he pushed forward and said that even though you guys are judging me now, I will be judging you in the future — “you shall see the son of man sitting on the Right Hand of Power (that means equality with God) and coming on the clouds of heaven (only God came on the clouds of heaven in Daniel).
It was enough for the Sanhedrin to loudly proclaim they heard blasphemy and to start tearing their robes. There was NO mistake about what they heard and what it meant.
But 2000 years later, arrogant people will enjoy twisting it into something that it was not.
So... learn from history, learn your history. Know exactly what it is that you’re throwing under the bus in your ignorance and arrogance.
Joseph Smith died for what he knew to be a lie. He just didn’t expect to die.
And which one of the apostles was there, a member of the Sanhedrin? Who was the eye witness?
Peter? Paul, who asserted he only met Jesus once, on the road to Damascus?
Your witnesses turn to dust when you finally get to it.
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