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Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969
Almah was young woman. The greek translated it to what we now report as virgin.
That means the old testament sign wasn’t a virgin. Rather that was the mistranslation.
Yes, the original prophecy was underwhelming. So was the reign of king Hezekiah.
Man’s standards are all that we have. G-d doesn’t have a web site to give us added guidance, he doesn’t send email, he doesn’t call us on the phone.
Unless he calls you and you are holding out on us?
The interesting thing is Job has won the argument. G-d doesn’t have any sin he committed. He gets an admission from G-d that G-d is acting arbitrarily, and because G-d is G-d, he can act arbitrarily.
G-d says “Shut up”.
Job shuts up.
And G-d never restores the children that were murdered. No doubt any real person in Job’s shoes would morn them the rest of his life.
Quite a leap in logic!
But it's NOT a novel: not even a novel strawman.
Do you have any sources, aside from the gospels, that claims Pontius Pilate had Jesus killed for claiming divinity?
***Once again, you have demonstrated how dark your idealogical blinders are. My comment was aimed at showcasing and framing just how rare such a claim is, and even more rare, how the enemies acknowledge the claim.
Rome was polytheistic, with a various Romans eventually being accepted as divine (Augustus, Romulus, Tiberius, Claudius and even Caligula).
***And how many were put to death for the claim of divine privilege attributable to the highest of gods, the king of kings? How many enemies acknowledge the claim? Learn your history. Answer these questions.
Do you acknowledge that Jesus claimed to be God Himself?
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln; how'd you enjoy the play?
Sure he did... just like Jonah.
What is your interpretation based on the MTV generation that all young women were sexually active? Check out the LXX.
So does a “young woman” or “maiden” mean for the time written that Judea had a bunch of Lady Gagas running around?
The word ‘almah’ (5959 as in Vines); virgin; maiden.
Even if you prefer “maiden” playing the lexicon game, in Genesis we are told Rebecca is a maiden who knew no man. So what type of maiden or virgin does not meet that criteria?
Again get your mind out of the 21st century gutter.
And you, obviously, thinks He should have.
Tell ya what: convert to Mormonism; follow all the rules, and you get to be a GOD.
THEN you can make the rules suit your tastes.
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
There's a few misconceptions here. Christ conformed exactly to what scriptures prophesied about him. This isn't exactly the same as what the Jewish religion prophesied.
Christ was bound only to the law of God. He wasn't bound to the laws or tradition of man. He pointed this out several times.
On the other hand much of Christianity today has deviated as far from scripture, and sometimes more, than what the Jewish religion had and so they've re-invented Christ as what you perceive in your last paragraph.
Are you serious about getting to the simple historical truth of the matter? If so, I recommend the following book. If not, I gather you aren’t willing to come up to speed on history and you’re just here to troll. How will you answer this challenge?
Rome was polytheistic, with a various Romans eventually being accepted as divine (Augustus, Romulus, Tiberius, Claudius and even Caligula).
***Keep your eye on the ball. This is an attempt at deflection. Did Jesus claim Divinity or not? Learn your simple history.
It is as you say...
Your conclusion is illogical and demonstrates an ignorance of the purpose of "prophecy". From the Pulpit Commentary:
"A virgin shall conceive. It is questioned whether the word translated "virgin," viz. 'almah, has necessarily that meaning; but it is admitted that the meaning is borne out by every other place in which the word occurs in the Old Testament (Genesis 24:43; Exodus 2:8; Psalm 68:25; Proverbs 30:19; Song of Solomon 1:3; Song of Solomon 6:8). The LXX., writing two centuries before the birth of Christ, translate by παρθένος. The rendering "virgin" has the support of the best modern Hebraists, as Lowth, Gesenins, Ewald, Delitzsch, Kay. It is observed with reason that unless 'almah is translated "virgin," there is no announcement made worthy of the grand prelude: "The Lord himself shall give you a sign - Behold!" The Hebrew, however, has not "a virgin," but "the virgin" (and so the Septuagint, ἡ παρθένος), which points to some special virgin, pro-eminent above all others."
And I say, YES, He did claim to be God Himself.
Nope! Almah says "young woman." The point and force of that word, however, is "young woman JUST NOW arriving at the point where childbearing is possible." Prepubescent, but on the cusp, the verg, of being able to conceieve. Still, it requires a miracle for such a "young woman" to conceive. The implication of that is "virgin."
Man was not made prone to sin. He became prone to sin.
God created man with the ability to choose. Man had free will which he could exercise.
God could have created a world full of robots which had no choice but to serve and praise Him, but where is the love in that?
Love is not love if it is not freely given. It cannot be demanded nor programed into a being. For man to love God, he must do it of his own choosing.
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