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Who is Jesus Christ and Who is Irrational? (Mike Adams)
clashdaily.com ^ | 12-4-2013 | Mike Adams

Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969

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To: donmeaker; yefragetuwrabrumuy
To me the paradox of Jesus is that noone recognizes that the prophecies were available for forgers to create a pretend Jesus, long after his putative life, and then pretend that their ability to reference various prophecies was somehow evidence of the reality of their scam.

Wherein does Karl Rove jump out of his time machine in your tale?

21 posted on 12/04/2013 4:06:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: donmeaker

I hear you, I’m sure he was maybe like some of the folks I’ve known.

But it seems clear the author is looking for a well known person. I can’t really think of anyone off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are folks who would qualify.

Too bad, so many peaceful loonies end up dead, yet the murderous Manson is still alive. That seems wrong. (Getting off topic here, I realize.)


22 posted on 12/04/2013 4:06:35 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Boogieman

Well that is an article of faith for you.

Close enough to what? How would you know when it was?

There are arguments that Jesus was not born on 25 December, but his birth day was moved there for political reasons (shepards would not be in their fields by night that time of the year) to coincide with the Saturnalia, Mithra and Sol Invictus (winter solstice in the time of Romans).


23 posted on 12/04/2013 4:06:52 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Lakeshark

It is a classic philisophical problem.

How do you bury a prediction so that it doesn’t affect the reality to become a self fullfulling prophecy? One thing you wouldn’t do is publicize it in the documents of an important religion. Science used a double blind experiment to ask such questions.

Like the ‘entering town on a donkey’ prophecy. Apparently there were claimants to that prophecy every few years. Bar Kochba rebellion started that way.

The virgin birth prophecy was a simple mistranslation from young girl in Hebrew to virgin in Greek, and the Hebrew version had been fullfilled already by Hezikiah.


24 posted on 12/04/2013 4:13:29 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker
The author of Matthew was not matthew, and probably didn’t meet Jesus.
The author of Mark was Paul’s secretary, and probably didn’t meet Jesus. It is likely that Paul never met Jesus.
The author of Luke was commissioned by one Theophilus, and probably didn’t meet Jesus.

I think you're probably wrong.

And for the record--Paul's meeting with Jesus is recorded in Scripture.

25 posted on 12/04/2013 4:14:44 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: donmeaker
Or it was caused by the nature of that which existed before,

OK, let's say the universe was caused by the nature of that which existed before.

What caused that which existed before?

26 posted on 12/04/2013 4:14:50 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: donmeaker
This is no classical philosophical problem. It's about you writing one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I've ever seen on FR.

And it was........

Congrats.

27 posted on 12/04/2013 4:15:33 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: donmeaker

“Close enough for government work” is a sarcastic expression... it means not really close at all, but we’ll just use it anyway.


28 posted on 12/04/2013 4:15:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: donmeaker

Actually, some of that was semi-legitimate. At about 200AD Christianity really took off, and there was ridiculous demand for all sorts of details about everyone involved, many of whom left little behind. So while there was an honest effort to get information, there was also publication of just about anything anyone could find or fabricate.

So a lot of the early Christian conclaves were intended to separate the wheat from the chaff, and develop reliable sources for internally consistent doctrine.


29 posted on 12/04/2013 4:16:26 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: Lakeshark

Well why, if they knew him would three of the 4 gospel writers crib off either Mark or Mark’s now lost source “Q”?

If they knew him, they could write what they knew.

Just go through holy week and you find each gospel author has a different story. Simple question: There was a trial. Who tried him? They should all get the same answer on that one, right? Anyone? Bueller?


30 posted on 12/04/2013 4:16:59 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: servo1969

Yes, religions are irrational. At least Christianity is. It requires, by definition, transport out of the realm of reason into the dominion of Faith. One cannot reason one’s way to salvation, nor a communion with God. Those defy reason, and gloriously!


31 posted on 12/04/2013 4:17:57 PM PST by IronJack
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To: ShadowAce

Paul never met Jesus before Jesus died. Paul was very impressed on the road to Damascus, but that doesn’t seem to be the same Jesus to me. Seems like drug addled reporting to me.


32 posted on 12/04/2013 4:19:29 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: IronJack

the Scholastics tried to claim reason. Thomas Aquinas had it all worked out... or thought he did.


33 posted on 12/04/2013 4:20:35 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Alex Murphy

Have you read “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross” by John Allegro?

Carl Rove not required.


34 posted on 12/04/2013 4:22:23 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker
But the cornerstone of religion -- all religions, as far as I know -- is Faith. "Belief in things unseen," to be sure, but also an admission that there are things unknown and unknowable, but that exist nonetheless. In Buddhism, that's Zen: where does a circle begin? What is the sound of one hand clapping? How long is a piece of string? If a tree falls in the forest ...

In Christianity, it is a belief -- not a PROOF -- in God the Father, God the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit. Unanswerable, unknowable, but certain.

35 posted on 12/04/2013 4:26:51 PM PST by IronJack
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Fortunately important things happened in a very dry climate, so we now have copies (and translations) of the Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, and other early works that were suppressed, but copies were expensive, so they just hid them, and 1700 years later they turn up.

So when counting sources, would you count a book suppressed as heresy because it had theological error, or not count it despite it having similar accounts to other books that were not suppressed?

Or since sources could copy each other, do you discount all but the earliest?


36 posted on 12/04/2013 4:27:10 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: IronJack

Decartes was the founder of French scepticism.

“I think, therefore I am!” was his second proposition.

The first proposition was “I doubt, therefore I think!”

If you don’t doubt, then you are not thinking. Faith is what happens when you don’t doubt.


37 posted on 12/04/2013 4:29:58 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Lots of ‘accusations’ in your little ‘rant’. But it is somewhat telling you mention no sources for your position.


38 posted on 12/04/2013 4:30:17 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: donmeaker

And so these 12 Scammers and also a Pharisee who HATED Christians then were willing to die/be killed for a scam? Really?

Peter was crucified in Rome and wanted that to happen with the cross upside down because he did not feel worthy to die as his Lord and Savior did. Yep definitely evidence of a scam there.

Saul, on the way to Damascus meets Jesus on the road. From there he is Paul, arguably one of the choicest of Christians. He died in Rome too, beheaded. That’s got scam written all over it.

Your critical thinking skills may need some brushing up. Just sayin.


39 posted on 12/04/2013 4:37:08 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: donmeaker

Oh you poor poor person.

The exact date of Jesus’ birth as s not recorded. So, ultimately, it is not important. But does not knowing the exact date or day render celebration of that day impossible?

I would opine that it does not. We have that day/date to celebrate an event, the birth of the Savior of the world.

Good luck shopping at Wal-Mart for all your winter solstice gifts.


40 posted on 12/04/2013 4:42:53 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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