Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969
Wherein does Karl Rove jump out of his time machine in your tale?
I hear you, I’m sure he was maybe like some of the folks I’ve known.
But it seems clear the author is looking for a well known person. I can’t really think of anyone off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are folks who would qualify.
Too bad, so many peaceful loonies end up dead, yet the murderous Manson is still alive. That seems wrong. (Getting off topic here, I realize.)
Well that is an article of faith for you.
Close enough to what? How would you know when it was?
There are arguments that Jesus was not born on 25 December, but his birth day was moved there for political reasons (shepards would not be in their fields by night that time of the year) to coincide with the Saturnalia, Mithra and Sol Invictus (winter solstice in the time of Romans).
It is a classic philisophical problem.
How do you bury a prediction so that it doesn’t affect the reality to become a self fullfulling prophecy? One thing you wouldn’t do is publicize it in the documents of an important religion. Science used a double blind experiment to ask such questions.
Like the ‘entering town on a donkey’ prophecy. Apparently there were claimants to that prophecy every few years. Bar Kochba rebellion started that way.
The virgin birth prophecy was a simple mistranslation from young girl in Hebrew to virgin in Greek, and the Hebrew version had been fullfilled already by Hezikiah.
I think you're probably wrong.
And for the record--Paul's meeting with Jesus is recorded in Scripture.
OK, let's say the universe was caused by the nature of that which existed before.
What caused that which existed before?
And it was........
Congrats.
“Close enough for government work” is a sarcastic expression... it means not really close at all, but we’ll just use it anyway.
Actually, some of that was semi-legitimate. At about 200AD Christianity really took off, and there was ridiculous demand for all sorts of details about everyone involved, many of whom left little behind. So while there was an honest effort to get information, there was also publication of just about anything anyone could find or fabricate.
So a lot of the early Christian conclaves were intended to separate the wheat from the chaff, and develop reliable sources for internally consistent doctrine.
Well why, if they knew him would three of the 4 gospel writers crib off either Mark or Mark’s now lost source “Q”?
If they knew him, they could write what they knew.
Just go through holy week and you find each gospel author has a different story. Simple question: There was a trial. Who tried him? They should all get the same answer on that one, right? Anyone? Bueller?
Yes, religions are irrational. At least Christianity is. It requires, by definition, transport out of the realm of reason into the dominion of Faith. One cannot reason one’s way to salvation, nor a communion with God. Those defy reason, and gloriously!
Paul never met Jesus before Jesus died. Paul was very impressed on the road to Damascus, but that doesn’t seem to be the same Jesus to me. Seems like drug addled reporting to me.
the Scholastics tried to claim reason. Thomas Aquinas had it all worked out... or thought he did.
Have you read “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross” by John Allegro?
Carl Rove not required.
In Christianity, it is a belief -- not a PROOF -- in God the Father, God the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit. Unanswerable, unknowable, but certain.
Fortunately important things happened in a very dry climate, so we now have copies (and translations) of the Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, and other early works that were suppressed, but copies were expensive, so they just hid them, and 1700 years later they turn up.
So when counting sources, would you count a book suppressed as heresy because it had theological error, or not count it despite it having similar accounts to other books that were not suppressed?
Or since sources could copy each other, do you discount all but the earliest?
Decartes was the founder of French scepticism.
“I think, therefore I am!” was his second proposition.
The first proposition was “I doubt, therefore I think!”
If you don’t doubt, then you are not thinking. Faith is what happens when you don’t doubt.
Lots of ‘accusations’ in your little ‘rant’. But it is somewhat telling you mention no sources for your position.
And so these 12 Scammers and also a Pharisee who HATED Christians then were willing to die/be killed for a scam? Really?
Peter was crucified in Rome and wanted that to happen with the cross upside down because he did not feel worthy to die as his Lord and Savior did. Yep definitely evidence of a scam there.
Saul, on the way to Damascus meets Jesus on the road. From there he is Paul, arguably one of the choicest of Christians. He died in Rome too, beheaded. That’s got scam written all over it.
Your critical thinking skills may need some brushing up. Just sayin.
Oh you poor poor person.
The exact date of Jesus’ birth as s not recorded. So, ultimately, it is not important. But does not knowing the exact date or day render celebration of that day impossible?
I would opine that it does not. We have that day/date to celebrate an event, the birth of the Savior of the world.
Good luck shopping at Wal-Mart for all your winter solstice gifts.
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