I was just going from what you said above. There is more to the story, indeed.
Of course, everything you added is true as well. They may not want to "destroy and hurt" (they say) but we know that destruction and misery will be the result, there's plenty of historical proof. It's easy for a commie to convince people what we have "is not working." Just conflate wants and needs, and ask them if they have everything they could ever want. If the answer is no, then there you have it: what we have "is not working" because there are people left in need.
We have to make the distinction between "want" and "need." If the LIVs don't get it, we have to teach them. There is no other way because there is no end of free stuff the progs can promise when they aren't required to deliver. They'll always be able to top us with empty promises, so we have to prove the promises are empty. That's hard to do, it requires analytical thought. If we just wait for their promises to fail, it will be too late because the functional society will have been destroyed.
We're seeing that now with the health care system. Great damage has already been done to the insurance industry. It is already going to be a major task repairing it, just to get it back to where it was.
My old tagline applies: "It's easier to believe the liar if he's telling you things you want to believe."
>> If the LIVs don’t get it, we have to teach them.
That is exactly my point. I’m not defending the Progs. But, they do a better job of teaching the LIVs what they want them to know than we do.
We used to be a nation where a man with a high school diploma could earn a nice living for his family by working in a factory for his entire life. What does the Conservative movement have to offer a man with a 100 IQ and a high school diploma? We tell him that he doesn’t deserve a good living and that he doesn’t even have the right to organize. We tell him that his job has to move overseas because we need to raise the stock value a couple dollars. We call him an LIV, but the Prog calls him a valuable human being. Of course, the Prog is lying, but who is telling him what he needs to hear?