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To: Daffynition
Miss the caliber of debates with WFB and Vidal.

Your comment inspired me to "Youtube" them. You're right. Their calibre puts today's examples at the calibre of "The View".

44 posted on 11/25/2013 4:22:45 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. [Ludwig Von Mises])
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To: BfloGuy
I was just a mushy-head college kid the the late 60s...and I would have a clipboard and pencil handy when we tuned in to *Firing Line*...b/c, inevitably, WFB would use words I had *NO* idea what they meant, and needed to look up later. Even in context the vocabulary was only understood by the likes of a Bill Safire.

During my *love affair* with Buckley...both my brother and I got involved with sailing. I think it was his wonderful book: Airborne: A Sentimental Journey that influenced us so greatly.

He outed Vidal during the '68 DNC convention, with this in/famous exchange: Buckley appeared in a series of televised debates with Gore Vidal during the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. In their penultimate debate on August 28 of that year, the two disagreed over the actions of the city police and the protesters at the ongoing convention. In reference to the response of the police involved in supposedly taking down a Viet Cong flag, moderator Howard K. Smith asked whether raising a Nazi flag during the Second World War would have elicited a similar response. Vidal responded that people were free to state their political views as they saw fit, whereupon Buckley interrupted and noted that people were free to speak their views but others were also free to ostracize them for holding those views, noting that in the U.S. during the Second World War "some people were pro-Nazi and they were well treated by those who ostracized them—and I'm for ostracizing people who egg on other people to shoot American Marines and American soldiers. I know you [Vidal] don't care because you have no sense of identification with ...". Vidal then interjected that "the only sort of pro- or crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself", whereupon Smith interjected, "Now let's not call names." Buckley, visibly angered, rose several inches from his seat and replied, "Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in your goddamn face, and you'll stay plastered."[67] Buckley was to later apologize in print for having called Vidal a "queer" in a burst of anger rather than in a clinical context, but also reiterated his distaste for Vidal as an "evangelist for bisexuality": "The man who in his essays proclaims the normalcy of his affliction, and in his art the desirability of it, is not to be confused with the man who bears his sorrow quietly. The addict is to be pitied and even respected, not the pusher."

I believe WFB's son destroyed the file his father kept on Vidal, after Buckley's death. ['Vidal Legal']

58 posted on 11/25/2013 6:55:30 PM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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