Posted on 10/30/2013 1:59:05 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
In early October, I posted a blog entitled "Dear Texas: Please Secede" that advocated kicking Texas as well as Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and perhaps other Southern states out of the USA because they have an inferior culture and their stupidity and greed has had a negative effect on the nation from Day One.
Since then, I have read even more articles about two kinds of secession -- Southern states leaving the USA and rural conservatives in liberal states seeking to form their own state. It's clear that the partisan divide in Washington, D.C., and in numerous states has become so bad that the chances of secession of one kind or another are growing.
On Salon.com, articles about Southern states seceding or being expelled from the USA usually elicit a lot of reaction. The article "Just secede already: The obstructionists aren't going anywhere. Maybe we should" has 624 comments. I am posting this article on Storeboard.com solely because of the comments.
Numerous commenters who say they are Southerners want to leave the USA and numerous commenters who say they don't live in the South want the Confederacy kicked out of the USA.
A typical anti-South commenter who calls himself or herself DDay wrote "Why do we have to wait for these dimwits to get their act together and secede? Why can't WE kick THEM out? It says so right in the Constitution's preamble---"In order to form a more perfect union." I can't think of a better Union than to have the backward looking, Creationist, anti-science Southern states NOT part of our Union. Just think--without these Southern cretins in OUR Congress--we might be able to pass Universal healthcare, establish a decent minimum wage for workers, strengthen union rights and give all people the right to marry who they love. Canada might start to envy US!!!"
The anti-USA secession movements are being fueled by conservatives. You might recall that tens of thousands of people in Southern states signed petitions that favored secession shortly after President Barack Obama was re-elected last year.
In recent months, conservatives in rural counties in California, Colorado, and Maryland have been so outraged by laws passed by liberal majorities in their state legislatures that they have sought to secede and form new states. The conservatives are particularly angry about laws that require background checks on people who want to buy a gun and changes in the culture, including laws that give more rights to gays (all three states have legalized gay marriages or gay civil unions in the last year).
In addition, many people who live in the conservative Upper Peninsula want to secede from relatively liberal Michigan.
The secession movement is particularly advanced in Colorado, where 11 rural counties, one which has fewer than 2,000 residents, will vote on Tuesday, Nov. 5, on a resolution that advocates the formation of the state of Northern Colorado or North Colorado. A new state would have to be approved by the Colorado legislature and the U.S. Congress.
The last successful state secession movement occurred in 1863 when West Virginia seceded from Virginia, which had seceded from the entire USA along with 10 other Confederate states.
I don't think North Colorado or Northern Colorado will become the 51st state anytime soon, but I also believe that secession from the USA and secession from individual states is more likely in the next few years than at anytime since the 1861-1865 Civil War.
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From “Top Secret!”
Hillary Flammond: My uncle was born in America.
Nick Rivers: Oh, really?
Hillary Flammond: But he was one of the lucky ones. He managed to escape in a balloon during the Jimmy Carter presidency.
There’s a commentator called “tobias” at the Salon.com post entitled “just secede already”, which is just brilliant. He makes the argument that the only reason secession seems reasonable is because we have killed federalism, cut its head off, pounded a stake through its heart, and buried it at the crossroads:
Tobias
10 days ago
Hang on. Maybe there’s a solution to this problem that would avoid succession.
We’re talking about such a big country with wildly diverse interests, needs, history, traditions, environments and populations. So what if we divided the country into smaller, more manageable units that would be largely self-governing in terms of the day-to-day lives of their citizens. Then people would feel like they had greater control over how they are governed and they wouldn’t feel like they are being dictated to by people who don’t share their values or whose needs and interests are very different. We could call these units something like “States.” We could even allow these States to further subdivide themselves if they find it necessary.
But then, we could also take advantage of the economies of scale that flow from such a large population by pooling some resources to create a unified system of trade and common defense amongst and between the states. We could have one military to defend us and free inter-state commerce. Also, we could allow citizens of different states to live and move freely within these states if they chose.
It seems to me that such a system of united states would produce far less friction and animosity that a large, overarching government that sought increasing control over the daily lives of such a diverse population. Just a thought.
If Alabama or another SEC team wins it all again, they may kick us all out.
Horse hockey.
I especially liked the wingbat who wanted THEM to kick US out so that THEY could enact all the socialist programs that get liberals damp. only one question, honey: who’s gonna pay for all those giveaways?
All the productive Makers will gravitate to an environment that respects their labors and values their contributions. You keep the parasites, the mooches, the predators, and the pie-eyed dreamers. But when your grand social experiment goes Detroit on you, don’t expect to be welcomed in the New US. You’re going to have to grab a mop and clean up the mess yourself.
Meanwhile, we’ll take your businesses, your commerce, your workers, and your producers, and we’ll be living in luxury. Maybe we’ll buy your worthless shell and open a Walmart.
i want to see maps ... they get Montana to keep CALI WA and OR contiguous ...
we get San Diego to give us a Pacific port. Poor Maine. stuck with the USSA. Do they fight a war over Iowa? Is it worth it?
I think some of us just want to move. Living in a liberal state is more unbearable than living elsewhere ...
Quit reading it after this drivel. Typical leftist...thinks history started the day they were born.
Hey lefty! Those Southern states with the inferior culture and stupidity from Day One were all DEMOCRATS until the mid 1980's through now. We conservatives turned it into paradise throwing them out of office you twit.
Don’t see anyone stopping them. Heck, I believe Alabama this year could beat 10-12 NFL teams in a game.
“I can't think of a better Union than to have the backward THINKING,MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVING, EVOLUTIONIST, anti-science LEFTISTS NOT part of our Union. Just think—without these PROGRESSIVE cretins in OUR Congress.”
There. Fixed it.
The Leftists are the poster children for backwards thinking.
Abortion:
Sacrificing children to Molech-—3000 years ago
Evolution:
Goes back to notions that are over 2000 years old. Changed and revised many times (almost monthly) since Darwin's day 150 years ago.
Socialism:
Began failing ever since Lenin got the ball rolling in 1917. Then Adolf to it to a different level with his brand of National SOCIALIST Worker's Party.
Man Made Global Warming:
Debunked for at least 5 years by 2 Climategates, the Founder of the Weather Channel and over 30,000 Scientists.
Progressives are ironically the purveyors of looking backwards>
Obama’s “Forward” must’ve been created by a hipster in a Quisp T-shirt drinking Pabst.
Some people will just simply refuse to hand over their stuff to the feral government and will do their very best to kill anyone who tries to come and take it.
Political stunt or not, I’ve personally seen Weld County and why the secession talk is happening. Many people there are working hard with their own hands to produce in agriculture and energy. They don’t want their work to be stopped by socialist greed and snobbery in other counties and interests.
After the Soviet Union collapsed because the statists and “central planners” better known as “apparatchiks” (we call them bureauKaRATZ) put too much pressure on the different regions to conform and pay MORE tax, (so the apparatchiks could live a better lifestyle) the CIS (confederation of independent states) was formed.
I’m afraid this is what we are heading to. But it is a NECESSARY conclusion.
Collectivists, statists, commie pigs, apparatchiks, bureauKaRATZ, are Satan’s own spawn. Like a chigger, they dig themselves deep into the social fabric.
The only way to get this commie pig chigger out from under your skin is to dig it out, kicking and screaming, with a sharp knife.
Hurts like hell, (Ask any Russian what they went through when the old system collapsed.) but once you are on the other side of it, you wonder why you took so long to RID yourself of the pest.
I see it in the tea leaves.
“Secession, nullification, or the like should be all we talk about from now on.”
I figured we would be talking about it a lot. Ergo, the pinglist.
Its a REALLY SMALL one.
Socialism: Began failing ever since Lenin got the ball rolling in 1917.
We can find evidence of the socialist, collectivist mindset going WAAAYYY back.
Long before Marx and Engle, and all their sordid friends.
It was just called other things.
What did the Pilgrims try the first time around that almost got them all killed in the 16th century?
IMHO, when Jesus wandered the desert, and Satan temped him, it was SOCIALISM with which he tempted him.
"You will be ruler of all the kingdoms!" Or some such, I'm paraphrasing, please don't quote me.
Collectivism is the devil's own doing.
The moon uses batteries?
Yup. That’s just one of the things that moonbats believe.
(Moonbattery. n. The behaviour or attitudes of moonbats; left-wing lunacy. )
I can't see the West Coast going to any trouble to hook up with the East Coast: they'd have their hands full trying to keep Southern California in the same country with Northern California, Oregon and Washington (who may find they have more in common with British Columbia than with anywhere else).
I also don't see the Mountain and Plains states submitting to the Southern or Gulf States. If you've already thrown off a government 2000 or so miles away, why bother with one 1000 or so miles away?
Even with all the political disagreements, states like Nebraska and Iowa or Colorado and Wyoming, even if they are on different sides of the red-blue divide, may still have more in common with each other than they have with states in another part of the country, even if they are on the same side.
It would certainly be ironic if the US split up, and then for the sake of survival different parts of the country -- the Mountain States or Middle West, say -- made the kind of compromises that would have saved the country if people had been able to make them earlier. But I can't see people creating some very complicated patchwork of borders to conform to political disputes elsewhere, rather than swallow a few disagreements in order to keep a state or a region together.
I can't see some massive Blue America Country giving up San Diego to some massive Red America Country, but maybe they could become independent Arizona's chief seaport. In any case, so much is going to change if something like this happens that any predictions made now are going to be proven mistaken pretty quickly.
“Horse hockey.”
OK...a bit more specific if you don’t mind. The article or my comment? Or both?
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