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To: Godzilla

At which point does the New Testament become the New Testament? After Jesus’ resurrection? So are all Jesus’ comments Old Testament until that point?

You’re really stretching it with this novel approach. No one is saved by their own works. No one is justified of themselves, but only by the salvation and grace offered by Jesus Christ. That said, God does expect work of us. God does expect us to keep His commandments. They’ve never been withdrawn. God will judge us by our works.

You must recognize that the verses you quote are not a rejection of works, but the recognition that nothing starts or progresses in the life of a believer without first faith in Jesus Christ.

That is what the Bible teaches.


230 posted on 10/31/2013 5:28:42 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
At which point does the New Testament become the New Testament? After Jesus’ resurrection? So are all Jesus’ comments Old Testament until that point?

When it came to the OT mosaic covenant, Jesus was compliant with those standards. He taught the impending NT covenant changes, but those changes had to wait until his death and resurrection to be implimented. Very clearly taught in the nt.

Hebrews 9:15-17
“And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.”

No one is saved by their own works. No one is justified of themselves, but only by the salvation and grace offered by Jesus Christ.

Come on 10 - full disclosure of mormon doctrine eh - no 0bamaesque partial disclosures. Grace is only available after works ("all you can do") and is confirmed by your AoF 3 - "We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." Ummmm no presentation of 'grace' at all - only works mentioned as the vehicle for the salvation of all mankind.

God will judge us by our works.

God will judge us (salvation / damnation) based upon our relationship to Jesus Christ, he will reward us by our works (not godhood - out of luck there 10).

You must recognize that the verses you quote are not a rejection of works, but the recognition that nothing starts or progresses in the life of a believer without first faith in Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible teaches.

Sorry, mormon not telling the truth about their doctrine again - see earlier. Mormon doctrine again places works before grace. That is not what the bible teaches.

234 posted on 10/31/2013 2:08:01 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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