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To: Mrs. Don-o; oldbill; Colofornian; Dr. Thorne; MayflowerMadam; mountn man; aimhigh; TurkeyLurkey

Excellent and true, Mrs. Don-o. That’s my entire point. The Protestants are schismatic Catholics, thus the Catholic church recognizes their baptisms (when they still do that), even though they don’t have a priesthood or that they don’t see baptism as a sacrament.

The only thing, and it’s not trifling, is that the reason is not Biblical, but one of interpretation. Keep in mind that with the same vigor Catholics embrace, the Reformers reject. I remember the good old days when every Protestant knew that Catholics aren’t Christians and are doomed to hell.

Nostalgia...there really weren’t any good old days were there?


119 posted on 10/24/2013 5:11:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You win the Internet for hanging in this long.


122 posted on 10/24/2013 5:17:27 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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The Protestants...the Catholic church recognizes their baptisms (when they still do that), even though they don’t have a priesthood or that they don’t see baptism as a sacrament.

False on the first count; not completely true on the second count.

Protestantism's Priesthood of All Believers

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they-9 were appointed. 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; (1 Peter 2:5-9)

See also Revelation 1:5-6

Ya know, 1010, I make quite an effort to understand Mormonism...the least you could do is be closer to standards shown even by secularized books:

Here...go to the "Protestantism" entry in a book like the QPB Dictionary of Ideas...and you'll find:
"The CHIEF characteristics of the ORIGINAL Protestantism are the acceptance of the bible as the only source of truth, the UNIVERSAL PRIESTHOOD OF ALL BELIEVERS, and forgiveness of sins solely through faith in Jesus Christ." (p. 429, published in the UK, 1994)

Protestant Segments that regard baptism as a sacrament

"The liturgy of baptism in the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, and Methodist traditions makes clear reference to baptism as not only a symbolic burial and resurrection, but an actual supernatural transformation, one that draws parallels to the experience of Noah and the passage of the Israelites through the Red Sea divided by Moses. Thus, baptism is literally and symbolically not only cleansing, but also dying and rising again with Christ. Catholics believe that baptism is necessary for the cleansing of the taint of original sin... Since the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran> churches teach that baptism is a sacrament that has actual spiritual and salvific effects...
Baptism

Please don't try to speak for all of Protestantism when you snub its very roots...and can't represent even its current positions very well.

124 posted on 10/24/2013 5:42:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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Keep in mind that with the same vigor Catholics embrace, the Reformers reject

Except I just proved -- see post #124 -- that the Reformers did NOT reject baptism as a Sacrament (Luther never did)...
And Protestants did NOT reject the priesthood...but simply defined it as the New Testament (Peter & John the Revelator) did...

125 posted on 10/24/2013 5:46:00 PM PDT by Colofornian
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