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Five reasons why government shutdown points to breakup of U.S.
Transition Network ^ | 10-11-13 | Erik Curren

Posted on 10/14/2013 11:55:48 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Secession is not just for unreconstructed Confederates anymore. On both the right and the left, Americans increasingly see Washington as the problem and local autonomy as the solution.

Despite all the talk, the federal government shutdown hasn’t greatly affected daily life for most Americans so far. Some have been hit hard, especially federal employees, those receiving certain benefit payments, and tourists planning to visit the Smithsonian or a national park. But as apocalypses go, a couple weeks without “non-essential” federal services has been underwhelming for most American families.

Things could get worse if the closure were to extend from weeks into months. But judging by past shutdowns, it’s likely that Obama and Congressional Republicans will soon reach a deal to restart the federal services that have been suspended since Congress failed to pass a funding bill by the start of the federal fiscal year on October 1.

The World War II Memorial will then be open again. But that won’t mean that America can go back to normal. The new normal

Normal ended for most of us when the economy crashed in 2008 and the government shutdown shows definitively that no help can be expected from Washington for ordinary citizens who continue to suffer. Despite economists having declared the Great Recession finished in June 2009, in today’s economy most Americans outside the top 1% are still battling financial hardship:

One in five families relies on food stamps, food banks and other feeding programs to make sure that they’ll have enough to eat next week

Overdue student loan debt and youth unemployment remain at all time highs

For the last decade, the stock market has soared, helping the rich, but middle-class household income has declined

It’s clear that America’s middle class is actually suffering through what Paul Krugman has called a new Depression or even what James Howard Kunstler has more ominously dubbed The Long Emergency. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair

The shutdown demonstrates beyond doubt that Washington, plagued by partisan intransigence and captured by corporate special interests, has finally become unable to effectively govern the United States.

In 2009, early in the economic downturn, Paul Starobin made the case in his book After America: Narratives for the Next Global Age that governing America from Washington has become such an unwieldy system as to justify alternative arrangements. His perspective is even more prescient after the government shutdown.

“The present-day American Goliath may turn out to be a freak of a waning age of politics and economics as conducted on a super-sized scale — too large to make any rational sense in an emerging age of personal empowerment that harks back to the era of the yeoman farmer of America’s early days,” Starobin wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

It’s easy to laugh at Texans who’ve threatened for years to leave the Union. But with dysfunction in Washington sure to grow, Texas secessionists may ultimately have the last laugh.

Starobin comes at the problem of an oversized America from the right-wing — he rails against imperial overreach by President Obama and the expansion of social programs that Republicans refer to as “Big Government.”

But there are plenty of people on the left who also think that America has gotten too big to operate as a democracy. Just take the example of the secessionist movement in ultra-liberal Vermont, whose adherents want the freedom to eat local and organic and exclude nuclear power without interference from Washington.

While the mainstream media seem to find the idea of secession laughable at best, groups on both sides of the political edge are embracing the eventual breakup of the United States as not merely thinkable but even desirable. Secession from Oregon to Texas

Here are five reasons why secessionist movements like the microbrew-friendly Republic of Cascadia in the Pacific Northwest and the immigrant-unfriendly Texas Nationalist Movement may ultimately win some degree of autonomy from Washington:

Political Polarization — Does anyone think that, after Boehner and Obama make a deal to re-open the government, the two parties will begin to work harmoniously in the national interest anytime in the near future? Look for the trend of take-no-prisoners partisan warfare to ramp up, not down, in coming years, bringing the machinery of national government to a halt again and again through future battles over the federal debt, social programs, financial regulations and environmental protection. Partisan fighting will alienate voters and make clear the increasing impotence of the federal government.

Resentment of the One Percent — No one benefits more from centralized power than big corporations and the rich people who own them — and who pull the strings of power in Washington. Coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum, both Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party are populist movements critical of centralized power in both the government and the economy. As the economy continues to decline and government falters, movements on the political extremes will gain followers as more families have to struggle to keep their homes on part-time jobs. Americans who fall out of the middle class will grow angry and resentful at the rich for so cruelly rigging the system against the ordinary wage-earner.

Economic Collapse — The collapse of an economy that requires continuous growth but is stuck on a planet with finite resources may be unavoidable, but gridlock in Washington will help to bring it on sooner as the ripple effect from a decline in federal spending acts as a negative stimulus, killing jobs and causing businesses to close. After a few more government shutdowns, the next financial collapse could make 2008 look tame. As the national economy fails to deliver the prosperity that Americans used to expect, they’ll look more to economic solutions from local manufacturing to local currency.

Climate Chaos — Mounting costs to deal with the superstorms, derechos and other weather disasters that will become both more frequent and more damaging due to runaway climate change will stretch federal, state and local budgets to their breaking points. As schools, roads and social services are cut to pay for rebuilding hurricane-ravaged cities or constructing sea walls to protect coastal areas from rising seas, populations will grow restless. Initially, they’ll look to Washington for help. When that help disappoints or fails to arrive altogether, citizens will fall back on their states and localities, making the federal government increasingly irrelevant.

Peak Oil — By itself, depletion of fossil fuels will raise the cost of energy beyond the point at which transportation costs will make governing any nation of continental scale, whether the U.S. or Russia or China, impractical. In the long run, an ongoing reduction in travel by air, road and rail in response to rising costs for liquid fuels from crude oil will weaken the national ties forged in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries by the rise of those same forms of transportation. This will provide more slack to breakaway regions and secessionist movements. In the short-term, a 1970s-style energy crisis or some more catastrophic oil shock may be the Black Swan event needed to push the weakened and brittle edifice of national government and global trade over the edge into collapse.

All of these factors could clear the way for regional secession movements that could ultimately break up the U.S. and all of North America into half a dozen or more regional nations. In the meantime, as the economy continues to cool down, the climate continues to heat up and Americans get more cynical about Washington and Wall Street, campaigns for everything from local food to local money could coalesce into a grand localist wave like the Transition movement, which already boasts nearly 150 Transition Towns in the U.S. committed to building local autonomy.

In a future where central government has clearly lost control, that local autonomy could evolve into local sovereignty.


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KEYWORDS: 113th; bho44; secessionlist; shutdown
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To: mad_as_he$$

He’s conveniently forgotten that half of his ancestors-and mine-the Spaniards-sailed over here with Cortez looking for treasure to enrich the Spanish crown, killed as many of our other ancestors-the Native Americans-as he and his army could find, stole their stuff, then captured, carried off and enslaved the rest, kept on looting-and fathered hundreds/thousands of kids on Native women-starting with Cortez himself, who fathered at least one son with his Native interpreter, Malinche-and opened the door for all the malcontents in Spain, like my Basque ancestors to come over here and spread all over the Southwest and beyond.

And so the brand new ethnic group of the New World was created, and all of us who are Latino/Hispanic belong to it-so who is/was captive to whom? And it looks a lot like the “homeland” he’s talking about was stolen by the Spaniards from the Indians/Native Americans, who had dibs on it ever since they got here about 15 thousand years ago, give or take a hundred or so.

If he thinks Latinos are hostages who want their homeland back, then maybe he ought to put together a return-to-Spain movement because that is where the Spanish half is-I don’t really think the Natives would want to part with their relatives 500 years after the fact, though-the man is an idiot...


41 posted on 10/14/2013 2:16:40 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: tcrlaf
Wall off California, and the Democrat-run bastions like the Northeast and Midwest Inner-cities. Force them to go it alone.

When the supplies of Food, gas, water, and electricity from America’s Red Counties stops, it will be like World War Z in those places.


Not that I believe that the commies running the place would do this in any rational manner, but California has all the resources it needs to be fully self-sufficient. In fact, if California were walled off, a number of red states in the interior would be hurting for food. What would most likely happen if California became isolated, is that LA and SF would disintegrate in accordance with leftist policies, after which the remainder of the state (which is mostly red) would establish its own policies and make use of those resources. The remaining Americans here would make some sort of peace with the hordes of Mexicans and we would become an Anglo-Spanish hybrid (not as honorable as the old USA, but our women would be smoking hot).
42 posted on 10/14/2013 2:28:55 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: KC_Lion
Perhaps, but the only way we can come apart is if we all want to. We need less government, not more. This country has always squabbled over everything, Republics like ours always do, and have. This Obama created mess will be solved, just don't ever give up on the USA. We need less government intrusion into our lives, not more. And last, there is no free stuff, never has been because someone always has to pay for it.
43 posted on 10/14/2013 2:35:40 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Texan5
All of the “wronged” Hispanics have forgotten the Spanish angle - conveniently.
44 posted on 10/14/2013 2:45:12 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: RKBA Democrat
This whole problem can be much more easily solved with nothing more than tar, feathers, rope, and a hanging party.

Hang 'em all, hang 'em high. Every filthy last one of 'em.

Then we hold NEW elections and start over. This time those running for office WILL KNOW the price of their becoming corrupt and failing to serve WE THE PEOPLE.

I'll bet the results will much different second time around.

45 posted on 10/14/2013 2:50:39 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Texan5
Just for conversation, I did WWII with a bunch of Texans. It was really a good ride though, because of them. Nice people and 1000% American. I am sure that they will do the right thing.
46 posted on 10/14/2013 2:56:17 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: WhiskeyX

Secession does not mean the state has to give up the Constitution, they can adopt the same and start their own union of states. “Form a more perfect union” of red states! Let the rat states die on the vine.


47 posted on 10/14/2013 3:17:33 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Secession does not mean the state has to give up the Constitution, they can adopt the same and start their own union of states. “Form a more perfect union” of red states! Let the rat states die on the vine.


48 posted on 10/14/2013 3:17:54 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

“forgotten the Spanish angle” Apparently, folks in Mexico know the Spanish weren’t nice guys-my first husband and I traveled in Mexico a lot-and I can’t remember seeing any statues of Cortez in the public squares or parks...


49 posted on 10/14/2013 3:32:47 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

lol..never thought about that1 But I can’t remember seeing one either.


50 posted on 10/14/2013 3:43:32 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SgtHooper

Secession means exactly that, “to give up the Constitution”, no matter what you replace it with and no matter how similar it is to the Constitution you abrogated and destroyed to dismember the Union.

U.S. Constitution...Section 3 - New States. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

U.S. Constitution...Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;....


51 posted on 10/14/2013 3:47:16 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What does secession have to do with death and war?


52 posted on 10/14/2013 3:51:10 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: WhiskeyX
"I love the Union and the Constitution," he said, "but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it."

Jeff Davis, President CSA.

53 posted on 10/14/2013 3:57:06 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kartographer

“Revolution is Duty of the People.”

Would you be so kind as to define what is meant by: “revolution.”


54 posted on 10/14/2013 3:59:21 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: central_va

“What does secession have to do with death and war?”

Historically speaking, a lot.


55 posted on 10/14/2013 4:09:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: central_va

“What does secession have to do with death and war?”

Historically speaking, a lot.


56 posted on 10/14/2013 4:10:07 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: central_va

Jefferson Davis was a traitor to the Republic and its citizens, and so is any person who aids and gives comfort to the Communist efforts to dismember the United States of America and/or abrogate the U.S. Constitution we are sworn by oath to protect and defend.


57 posted on 10/14/2013 4:15:58 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Did you listen to the Judge? He was very clear and if you couldn’t understand him I doubt that I could explain it better or in a way you could understand.


58 posted on 10/14/2013 4:57:44 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

K: I did listen. Especially to the last 10 seconds where he noted “how do you alter or abolish if you have a choice between BO and John McCain?”

I think that in general, the Judge is a good guy, but this was just more pretty words without commitment, more hyperbole amounting to nothing.


59 posted on 10/14/2013 5:09:56 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The Democrat Party Plantation needs slaves to survive. They will not go quietly.


60 posted on 10/14/2013 5:14:00 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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