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(Vanity) Need input on a scope for a rifle.
10/14/2013 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/14/2013 9:59:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Of course, I do not own an AR-15, but I may consider one in the future -- provided they are legal, naturally!

But I like to prepare for future purchases. The rifle I am considering has no carrying-handle and no iron sights. I'd like freeper input on what sort of scope I should consider: Reflex / Holo with or without Fixed Power, a Fixed Power illuminated, or a variable power? Brands, prices, suggestions, all are welcome. The rifle would be for close to medium range target shooting (0-300 yards), especially 'action shooting' competitions. Price must be under or at 500. Would also be okay with something that worked 0-600 yds.


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To: Lazamataz
Make sure to get a Mil-Dot reticle.

Sight-in once and follow the dots.


41 posted on 10/14/2013 10:30:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Lazamataz

Aimpoint or EOtech.

Go to the store and handle them till you are comfortable with which one you want.


42 posted on 10/14/2013 10:38:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome; All

Too many responses to answer them all. THANK YOU EVERYONE and keep recommending.... right down to model number. Freepers ROCK!


43 posted on 10/14/2013 10:39:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Leatherwood CMR 1 to 4 power, lighted reticle. Good quality glass, on 1X it’s great for close-in work and 4X is good for 300 yds or so. About 300 bucks depending on where you buy it


44 posted on 10/14/2013 10:45:48 AM PDT by technically right
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To: Lazamataz

Laz - I too have owned and shot an AR-15 Optical Ready Carbine, but of course sold mine to a private party 10 months ago.

That rifle had an EOTECH HOLOGRAPHIC sight on it that was AMAZING. If the red dot was on the target, that is what you hit. Target acquisition and sight picture were great.

No magnification, so keep your use case in mind. But it was exactly what I wanted.

You might prefer the 4X scopes out there. All depends on your intent.


45 posted on 10/14/2013 10:47:18 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Lazamataz

here ya go - the EOTECH

http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/453878/eotech-512-holographic-weapon-sight-65-moa-circle-with-1-moa-dot-reticle-matte-aa-battery

Shop around for price.


46 posted on 10/14/2013 10:50:01 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Lazamataz
*If* you decide on an L3 EOTech, get a model that uses CR123-type batteries rather than AA or 'N-type' batteries. These will usually be the models with a model name containing 'XPS'.

Also, you don't want or need a 'Night Vision'-compatible EOTech model even if you own night vision.

47 posted on 10/14/2013 11:02:20 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Lazamataz

Boating accident Ping!


48 posted on 10/14/2013 11:08:53 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: Blueflag; All

I’m suddenly limited, financially, to around 400. I’m looking at this one: What do you think?

http://www.opticsplanet.com/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-red-dot-riflescope-30mm.html


49 posted on 10/14/2013 11:09:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: DBrow

I used to be an iron sights only guy until my eyes got old. Can’t see the front sight with glasses off, can’t see target with glasses on.

With red dot, old eyes can see both, I haven’t tried holographic yet, sounds futuristic.


50 posted on 10/14/2013 11:13:24 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey man, everyone here is posting a lot of good optics. Unfortunately, that is ALL that is being posted. Remember, a good optic for someone else doesn’t necessarily mean a good optic for you.

The first thing you did was name your price, which is the obvious first step when looking at optics. However, you need to keep breaking down what you want.

First of all, you listed “0 to 300 yards” as your range. There is a HUGE difference between “up close and personal” and 300 yards. If you are wanting to reach out to 300, I would suggest anything with a 3 or 4X zoom. If you are doing close range work (competition or home defense), magnification will slow your target acquisition. So that should be the next question for you: what is your PRIORITY? If it’s up close, I’d look into a non-magnification red dot or EOTech style scope (name brand might be too pricey, but you can find a good knockoff for around 500 bucks). If your priority is 300 yards, you should probably look into something similar to an ACOG or something else with magnification.

Next question becomes lighting. If you plan on shooting a lot in the middle of the day with holographic optics, you may want to invest in a green reticle. Green shows up better than red in bright light. Many optics allow you to switch between green and red, but will cost a little more. If you’re shooting from cover or inside, this may not be as important. Obviously not an issue for ACOGs and hunting rifle-type optics, as they don’t use a holographic dot.

Also important is battery life and cost. Our unit got some totally rad EOTechs several years ago. However, they used harder to find N-type batteries which they absolutely devoured. On the flip side, I bought a Belorussian surplus PKA red dot for my Romanian AK-47. After a little tinkering, I was able to feed it D357 watch batteries that cost about $1 apiece. I still haven’t changed the batteries after 80+ hours of having the thing on. So, if you plan on shooting a lot, batteries can become expensive. Furthermore, in a SHTF scenario, a holographic optic without batteries is worthless. Again, obviously not an issue for ACOGs and crosshaired rifle scopes.

If I were you, I’d think about each of these questions. Your answers will drive what the best purchase is for you.


51 posted on 10/14/2013 11:15:19 AM PDT by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: Lazamataz

If you aren’t looking for magnification that would be an excellent choice.


52 posted on 10/14/2013 11:15:58 AM PDT by Ace the Biker (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: Ace the Biker
It's also got a magnification package I can attach later on.

Should the United States survive the next 2 weeks to 1 year, that is.

53 posted on 10/14/2013 11:22:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you are looking for a scope for ARs, I have no idea. But for bolt, I can’t see how you could do better than a Nikon Pro Staff for the money. Under $200 and pretty darn clean even in low light.

I’ll tell you guys what made my lever 30/30 a great fast target aquire and accurate shooting gun. A Williams Front Fire Sight with the Marlin’s stock buckhorn rear sight. That Wms Front Fire sight is awsome and cheap too.


54 posted on 10/14/2013 11:23:15 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz
I've got an AR flattop as well. The EOTech 512 and (lower-profile) 552/3 are awesome tools, but they will set you back by quite a few Benjamins.

I have also tried an Aimpoint (4 MOA) red dot sight, which differs significantly in its sight picture and accessible viewing angle from the EOTech (65 MOA ring and 1 MOA dot). Which one you might prefer probably depends on your own eyes. Honestly: right now, I'm using the old ghost ring irons, which I find to be simple, accurate, and of course, cheap - like me. ;-)

55 posted on 10/14/2013 11:23:20 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: dangerdoc

The nice thing with Holographic is you can watch a movie in the sight while you wait for your deer to come into view.


56 posted on 10/14/2013 11:24:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hopefully in full Obi Won help me 3d. Cool sign me up.


57 posted on 10/14/2013 11:28:01 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Lazamataz

For an AR I was going to suggest Ed Verdugo’s GRSC 1-4x scope but he has sold out of them. He’s partnered with Norden Performance to build a 1-6X version using his reticle but it is nearly 3 times the price of the original 1-4x’s. However, I believe it is all American made whereas the 1-4x’s were manufactured in Japan.

I have one of the 1-4x’s and that reticle is fantastic. Easiest sight in of any scope I have used.

http://grscinc.com/crs.html

http://nordenperformance.com/


58 posted on 10/14/2013 11:28:26 AM PDT by hawkboy
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To: The Black Knight

The item I’m looking at has a 30000 hour rating on a battery. I figure, buy 3 batteries, expect 10000 hours each, and I got 5 years.


59 posted on 10/14/2013 11:29:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ok, according to your needs and under $500.00, I would suggest a Bushnell 3x9 50mm objective lens (great for better light gathering) in their 3200 Elite series with firefly recticle (one charges the lense with a small flashlight (included) for a minute and the recticle will glow for up to three hours... no batteries and excellent in low light conditions). It will cost you about 250.00 plus mount and rings. It is a great piece of glass and with their rain coating on the lenses, it will never fog nor will rain obscure your vision. It is nitrogen filled. It will handle the recoil of a 50 BMG. There are many other scopes that have better glass and features but you will spend a bunch more for it.


60 posted on 10/14/2013 11:45:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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