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1 posted on 10/04/2013 3:15:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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2 posted on 10/04/2013 3:17:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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Unfortunately the trap door of this roach hotel slammed shut long ago after the loss of state’s rights and almost every constitutional restriction on Federal power rendered moot.

I would gladly pack up and leave for a state not under the thumb of this Federal criminal conspiracy.


3 posted on 10/04/2013 3:25:17 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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What congress should do is realign the border of Idaho and Montana to follow the boundaries of Yellowstone.

Because the current boundaries are not aligned with the park boundaries, those sections of Yellowstone are the only places in the country were you could murder someone, and not be able to be tried. There is no state court with jurisdiction, and the federal court with jurisdiction is across the state border in Wyoming, making a court case against the murderer unconstitutional.


7 posted on 10/04/2013 3:32:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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An astute student of history and human nature, Thomas Jefferson, predicted what we see happening here in America. While a strong case can be made that the French aristocracy brought it upon themselves, as ambassador in France, he witnessed the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.

He also knew where the bulk of the problem would originate.

That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.

(A 6 minute video with this information may be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLu49pq3bI)

As I understand it, at the time of the drafting of the Declaration, Mr. Jefferson originally wrote “…Life, Liberty and PROPERTY…” (meaning that one’s right to freely acquire, use and dispose of his property – to the extent doing so did not violate the same to others – was a Creator endowed right. Because slavery viewed humans as property, the phrase “Pursuit of Happiness” was adopted instead to avoid – at least for the time being — the inevitable debate on that subject.

“The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230

“I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

“Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation.” —Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

“Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

“An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

“I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England.” —Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120


9 posted on 10/04/2013 3:35:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is not bliss. It is the road to serfdom.)
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Why don’t we trade Northern California for Puerto Rico. That way the balance isn’t changed?


13 posted on 10/04/2013 4:17:43 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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The “blue” states are irredeemable.I am firmly convinced of that.As a result I'm an enthusiastic supporter of secession.I'll move down to North Carolina,or even Georgia,in spite of my hatred of heat and humidity.
14 posted on 10/04/2013 4:24:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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Why not just lump all the urban areas of over 100,000 population into one state called Crapistan, and leave the rest of us alone.


21 posted on 10/04/2013 5:57:55 PM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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