Nazis offered peace with the Allies in 1941… but only if they were allowed to invade Russia

Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 12:36 EST, 26 September 2013 | Anna Edwards

[dfwgator]

Yeah, and all. Hitler wanted was a little piece of Czechoslovakia. “Peace in our time.”

A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Austria
And Hungary, perchance!
A little slice of Turkey
And all that that entails,
And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!

[Sawdring]

I thought Graham and McCain wanted to go to war in Syria.

[Tammy8]

My dad used to say he wanted everything he could see, of course after he got that he could see more.

[dfwgator]

the U.S. would dominant the Western Hemisphere

Well there would have been that sticky issue about allowing the Jews to remain in the US.

[dfwgator]

Best case scenario, is Hitler taking Moscow, resulting in an overthrow of Stalin and replacement with a new non-Communist government that rallies the Russians to victory.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

The Soviet gulags were known of before WWII; the Holocaust was not publicly believed during the war. I credit Hayek with predicting that something profoundly evil - not the Holocaust specifically, but something - would be discovered when the Germans were defeated. He made that prediction based on the deep similarity between NAZIism and Communism, and the known Soviet gulags.

[HiTech RedNeck]

What are you objecting to here?

A bad situation could suggest the possibility of an even worse one. A frying pan could suggest a fire.

I really don’t know what kind of axe you intend to grind.

[Larry Lucido]

Sure. There would have been no hard feelings about Coventry, I’m sure.

[Larry Lucido]

"Sorry about the unintentional damage from our Luftwaffe supply drop. But that is so 1940. Let's talk peace treaty, shall we?"

[BlackElk]

Aren't you a tad pessimistic as to the ability of the Russkies at the manly art of self defense? Think Stalingrad.

Ultimately the Germans had far overreached the capacity of their smaller nation to play in the really big leagues against the US and the ussr. Technological excellence could only get them so far. Even when everyone had been weakened by the Depression.

US armed forces in WWII became legendary. Solzhenitsyn in a different context later bemoaned "the accursed capacity of our (Russian) people for suffering."

[dfwgator]

Many Russians and Ukrainians originally welcomed the Germans as “Liberators”.

Hitler made a mistake in not treating Russia more like France or Holland. Red Army soldiers would have surrendered in droves knowing that the Germans would treat them decently, it was better than continuing to live under the Stalinist boot.

Now of course, Hitler would have none of it, because he saw the war as a war of elimination. But, Hitler once he won in Russia then could have turned around and did whatever he wanted to the Russians, with the threat eliminated.

[Olog-hai]

Well, our own Declaration of Independence did observe that “mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable”, but although there was no availability of ballistic arms to the general populace of Russia, Solzhenitsyn did observe that Stalin’s “cursed machine would have ground to a halt” if the people had stood up for themselves using whatever was at hand. The left in Russia perfected division and conquest via the doctrine of “abolition of the family”.

[Billthedrill]

"Source: Spandau: The Secret Diaries, by Albert Speer."

Fantastic book, and you beat me to that one. Yeah, Speer spent no less than 20 years in close proximity to Hess and even after all that time didn't quite figure him out. I think his best guess was that Hess was a crazy guy pretending to be a sane guy who was pretending to be a crazy guy. The Brits certainly thought so.

As for this thesis, color me skeptical but not dismissive. If it were me, Hess wouldn't be my first choice for a mission of this delicacy. But Hitler was Hitler, and not always the best judge of his own staff - according to Schirach he thought Ribbentrop was a genius on the order of Bismark, for example - so I wouldn't rule it out.

[BlackElk]

This is precisely true. First, Hitler sent into Western Russia the blond haired, blue eyed uniformly Arian Sturnabteilung or Storm Troopers. They made a point of friendly behavior towards Russian people who welcomed them with open arms as liberators. Next, however, came the Totenkopf Schutzstaffel or Death's head SS to round up and export Russian Jews to the camps. Many Russians were not lovers of Jews. Some probably were. Few wanted to turn Russian Jews over to Hitler and Eichmann and the welcoming came promptly to an end.

Knowing that he was nonetheless in substantial hot water, Dictator Stalin ordered his troops to march carrying aloft icons of Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ. The soviets managed to come out of it by the skin of their teeth. If the USA, under FDR, been inclined to adopt a policy of "Let's you and him fight!" then the nazis MIGHT have prevailed or the soviets might have prevailed. A rational US regime, with troops tanned, rested and ready, would have mopped the floor with the victor. Red China would not have happened. Ho Chi Minh might well have ended his days in a prison where he belonged and the Korean War and likely the Vietnam War would also have been unnecessary.

Without the liberal Lincoln, about 660,000 young American men need not have died to satisfy his political agenda. Without the liberal Woodrow Wilson, Kaiser Willie would have been defeated by Europeans and many young American men would have lived. Also, the world wide mega-epidemic of the Spanish Influenza originated not in Spain but in Iowa and was spread by Iowa troops to the world via WWI troop deployments.

It would have been likely necessary for American troops to fight and die at the END of WWII in Europe in any event but with far fewer casualties. Isoroku Yamamoto designed the attack on Pearl Harbor on orders of Tojo but Yamamoto made clear in advance that he thought the attack was a blunder. His hand would have been strengthened if the liberals of those days could not hold their water and appeared absolutely intent on fighting.

[cradle of freedom]

Leibenstrum—breathing room. Didn’t they want to expand to the east?

[Arrian]

Preposterous malarkey!!!