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Maine law allows police to arrest victims to make sure they testify
PoliceStateUsa.com ^ | September 23, 2013 | PSUSA

Posted on 09/26/2013 9:09:09 AM PDT by Altariel

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Ensuring they are victimized twice.
1 posted on 09/26/2013 9:09:09 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Whatever happened to a subpoena?


2 posted on 09/26/2013 9:10:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Altariel
While she was detained, officers served Ruiz with two subpoenas, ordering her to come to two separate trials of Robert Robinson on domestic violence and witness tampering.

So the witness is arrested to force her to testify in a witness tampering case? Will she be beaten for testifying in a way the state isn't satisfied with?

3 posted on 09/26/2013 9:16:50 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Why is our military going to be used as Al Qaeda's air force in Syria?)
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To: KarlInOhio

I’m sure that’s coming, if it hasn’t already.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 9:18:18 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Smokin' Joe
In the world we now live in, they are no longer needed. When the State decides to use its power to prosecute someone, The Constitutional protections, the law and truth go out the window. The persecution and prosecution of George Zimmerman is a case in point. Zimmerman prevailed at that point, but it was because the jurors in his case had the courage to follow the law.
5 posted on 09/26/2013 9:18:28 AM PDT by sport
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To: Smokin' Joe

Subpoena? Subpoena? We don’t need no stinkin subpoena.


6 posted on 09/26/2013 9:18:55 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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The problem was that she was intimidated, threatened and frightented to death of being killed is she testified - but the conundrum was that, if she DIDN'T testify, the monster would be set free and she WOULD end up dead.

They took this drastic measure in an attempt to save her life - and not have her end up just another statistic.

Drastic? yes? Strictly legally speaking, overboard? Yes.

But her testimony will put this cretin behind bars where he can't kill HER - or OTHERS.

(How many of you, if she didn't testify, and he then killed her and others, would be castigating and blaming the judge and others for the consequent crimes?)

7 posted on 09/26/2013 9:20:33 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Altariel
The perp:

Whenever anybody runs a "zero tolerance" campaign, they need to be laughed off the stage as having "zero intelligence."

8 posted on 09/26/2013 9:24:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: maine-iac7

Better an innocent woman imprisoned than a guilty man go free, or something like that I guess. Once we’re all in jail, crime statistics will be fantastic!


9 posted on 09/26/2013 9:28:31 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: maine-iac7

The attorney for the Defendant says he would still be in jail even without the abuse case this gal got locked up for. He has more “issues.”

This is about “zero tolerance.” What they aren’t tolerating is a victim who may not help them incarcerate somebody. The DA’s statement about wanting the vic to testify, not dead, is 100% pure hyperbole designed to feed the lust of the Low Information Voters who elected her, and will elect her again.


10 posted on 09/26/2013 9:28:34 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Oww my eyes! Please warn when posting graphic content.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 9:30:17 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: maine-iac7
Oh, one more thing:

The problem was that she was intimidated, threatened and frightented to death of being killed is she testified - but the conundrum was that, if she DIDN'T testify, the monster would be set free and she WOULD end up dead.

Do you have familiarity about this case, beyond what the article in the OP says? Or are you inserting your personal opinion as fact?

12 posted on 09/26/2013 9:32:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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Sorry. You are, of course, correct. I should have substituted that picture I saw posted earlier of the baboon grabbing a reporters boob and said the DA looks like that baboon.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 9:33:23 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I'll jump in - this article is FULL of personal opinion. The name of the website source gives you one clue, the use of "cage" for a jail cell gives you another. Also, it relies primarily on "civil libertarians" and the defense attorney. So it's pretty clearly biased in one direction.

The only way you're going to get the straight facts is to check the pleadings, which we don't have. But it is certainly possible that the prosecutor was trying to protect the victim.

If I had a dollar for every domestic violence victim who refused to press charges and wound up dead . . . they refuse to testify for a lot of different reasons - frequently they are not rational about their situation, or they are afraid of the partner. Sometimes, victims try to extricate themselves from the situation on their own and wind up 'setting the guy off'.

Just because other charges have been made means little. The guy could make bail, then go home and kill the victim because he blamed her for his problems. I've seen it happen.

14 posted on 09/26/2013 9:39:51 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Maine Mariner

ping


15 posted on 09/26/2013 9:43:39 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: AnAmericanMother

If I had a dollar for every domestic violence victim who refused to press charges and wound up dead


That is a truism all over the country. It’s going to be one sad place to live if we starting incarcerating victims of crimes to “protect” them. Why don’t we just jail everybody in the name of “safety?” Why wait for a crime to be committed? We can call it “Crime Prevention Zero Tolerance.” If just one life is saved....

We’ll see a lot more people putting up signs, “Warning: We don’t call 911” or simply refusing to report crimes at all.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 9:45:54 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Altariel

They could really use such a law in states with inner-city war zones and a “stop snitchin’” culture.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AnAmericanMother

So you believe that it is better for The State to incarcerate you, depriving you of your rights, than for them to not do so?


18 posted on 09/26/2013 10:02:25 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Cyber Liberty
It may or may not be a truism, but it's true.

The prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place. Try to help someone who is really not in her right mind (the way these silly women moan, "Oh, but I luvvvvv him!" while they are black and blue with broken bones, makes you want to slap them silly until you realize that they really are not sane) and the cop-haters launch on you. Let them refuse to press charges, the violence escalates until they die, and then the law-and-orders launch on you for failing to protect the victim.

It is absolutely possible for a judge to hold a witness in contempt for refusing to testify, whereupon they wind up . . . in jail. This appears to be the same destination for the same reason, but by a statutory route.

If there's a problem with the law, the legislature needs to address it. But I don't think we're getting the whole story here.

19 posted on 09/26/2013 10:03:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Altariel
If you are a complainant but then go back on your word and refuse to testify, I think that's a little different situation than being incarcerated out of the blue.

Such a person has made a false report of a crime (a felony in many states) or is now attempting to compound a felony.

Unfortunately many victims of abuse rightly distrust the justice system because it has NOT protected victims in the past. And the perps *always* blame the victim for calling the cops, and escalate the abuse. So it never ends well, and there's plenty of blame to go around.

As I said before, we don't know all the facts here, but if she made the initial complaint, she is hardly an innocent victim of State overreaching.

20 posted on 09/26/2013 10:08:53 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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