Posted on 09/17/2013 1:49:07 PM PDT by Kevmo
Excellent!
Either the technology is real and there is competition, therefore the race will be on in earnest to roll out the technology as fast as possible and the price will fall.
Or...
It’s a scam and there is competition, the race will still be on in earnest to roll out the fake technology, speeding the day when the scam is exposed.
De-salination is something that would help a number of cities as well as countries like Israel and other countries in the Middle East...
What 'units'? Ergs? Joules? Horsepower? Watts? Calories? BTU's? A 'gain' of 10 whatevers is meaningless without some base for comparison............
They talk about “small scale”. How about installing one of these systems in a large hospital?. Most larger hospitals have an electrical load of 3MW and up, so they would be ideal candidates for this type of thing.
It would eliminate the need for standby generating systems as well...
I was under the impression that when one uses the generic “units”, it meant any unit you wished to use, be it BTU’s, watts, etc.
As long as the in and out unit is the same, the type of unit is irrelevant.
All these crooks are selling licenses and distribution rights. Nobody’s selling a working device.
Uh, its a ratio, and therefore unitless. But since one of their prospective marketing targets is to rejuvenate old coal-fired power plants, the ultimate top end has to be kilowatts (or greater). And their research prototype for their 600 degree unit (the one targeted towards the coal plants) puts out 30KW.
More pulses both create more neutrons and allow neutrons to combine with some of the hydrogen to form deuterium (a form of hydrogen with both a proton and a neutron in the nucleus). This ‘combination’ step releases energy. The process continues, again, with some neutrons combining with deuterium to form tritium (hydrogen with one proton and two neutrons). This step releases still more energy. The process continues with some neutrons combining with the tritium to form quadrium (hydrogen with one proton and three neutrons). Since quadrium is not stable, it quickly turns into helium in a process that releases more energy than it took to create all the preceding steps.
Is this description from Brillouin? Um, this is interesting:
Brillouin’s CECR starts by introducing hydrogen into a suitable piece of nickel (or other metal with the correct internal geometry)
So, any metal will do as long as it has the correct geometry, really? Why use nickel if you can use a cheaper metal ??[snicker]
Kevmo, it's posts like this that make my day. While LENR may be real, I'm seriously having problems with this description which would be fine if it was someone other than Brillouin making this statement but if it is them, then this is seriously techno-babble.
Let me know how much you've invested.
You can’t fool Mother Nature. Which Law of Thermodynamics does this idea go against??
Well, technically, gain is a unitless item of measure. It’s Watts/Watts or BTUs/BTUs or whatever/whatever, with the units cancelling. That’s first year chemistry & physics.
But it really would be meaningless if the units were small enough, say microwatts/microwatts. Because the level of noise at that realm is significant. So, yeah, it is sloppy, but it’s also not likely to be microwatts/microwatts, either.
So, any metal will do as long as it has the correct geometry, really? Why use nickel if you can use a cheaper metal ??[snicker]
***Good question. It turns out that all this looking into nickel was due to the results over the last 2 years. Prior to that, almost all the LENR work was being done in Palladium. So, to answer your question, nickel is already cheaper and if there’s a more suitable metal coming on the horizon, the research will shift to that as well. Dr. Arata was using zirconium.
Kevmo, it’s posts like this that make my day. While LENR may be real, I’m seriously having problems with this description which would be fine if it was someone other than Brillouin making this statement but if it is them, then this is seriously techno-babble.
***I think I might agree with you on this particular point. Brillouin is working on attracting investors. That’s a step below the other dude that so many freepers had trouble with over the last 2 years.
Let me know how much you’ve invested.
***Let me know where to invest. I don’t have much, so Brillouin wouldn’t be interested. Rossi turned down $200k from a freeper more than 10 years ago. I can’t hope to catch the wave, only the ripples.
Good point. Either way, competition is good news.
Someone on FR was going to invest in Rossi ten years ago? What were they investing in; wasn’t he doing his thermolectric generators then?
While Brillouin is looking for investors there’s already a company who has lots of money and has been doing this for many years:
Black Light Power.
www.Blacklightpower.com
They’ve spent millions and had power company contracts but they had and have the same problems everyone else is having. They have a small reactor that is putting out power, great yes? But, since we don’t have the correct theory yet (and BLP’s Mills has written a TOE that was supposed to put physics on its head) but when they try to scale it up, it doesn’t work. Mill’s theorys for free:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory-2/theory/
We need a valid theory that describes what’s going on so they have a basis to scale up instead of building prototype after prototype. Not that that is the wrong path, lots of inventions were the result of people experimenting; how many light bulbs did Edison build? It will be interesting to see which comes first, a scaled up reactor in the MW range or a theory that describes the action so people involved in this can build prototypes of their reactor scaled up using the new theory that doesn’t exist yet.
Physicists have got to be working on this, I wonder which colleges are working on this. Seeing as how MIT was trying to crush the original ‘Cold Fusion’ it would be funny if they are teaching this. Maybe their hostility to P&F was so they could research it on the side while publicly, they said it wasn’t a real effect?
Careful there, you are teetering on the edge of misuse of units. Calories, BTUs, Ergs, & Joules are measures of energy whereas horsepower and watts are measures of energy per unit time which is power either created or consumed. The difference is rather like conflating distance and velocity where both contain a spacial measurement but only one takes time into account.
As long as you are measuring gain as output Vs input and compare energy to energy or power to power the choice of units cancels out leaving "gain" a dimensionless figure of merit, that is gain IS the "base for comparison".
Regards,
GtG
PS Suggested reading assignment "Dimensional Analysis", not nearly as daunting as it might sound. Algebra only needed, no relativity required.
The D-T chain is exactly what boosts a thermonuclear bomb. That’s a lot of neutrons and not “cold” or safe to be around.
None. Why do you think it somehow conflicts with thermodynamics?
Correct geometry in this case means capable of forming a "nuclear active environment"....one facet of which seems to be forming hydrides, and holding large quantities of hydrogen. One known candidate is titanium (melting point 1668 C), and another is tungsten (melting point 3422 C).
"I'm seriously having problems with this description which would be fine if it was someone other than Brillouin making this statement but if it is them, then this is seriously techno-babble."
What specifically makes you think this is "techno-babble"?? Godes specifically says that the "Q-pulse driven" mechanism differs from Rossi/Defkalion, in that it yields He4 and not the conversion of Ni, as Rossi once claimed.
Well, I don't know about the ten year figure, but one specific Freeper "did" seek Rossi out years back and offer to invest in his LENR work. And was turned down. I've exchanged Freepmail with the party in question, and he is certainly legit.
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