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Groups want poor image of Penn State to go away
New York Times ^ | 9-16-13 | Tim Rohan

Posted on 09/16/2013 7:01:46 PM PDT by FlJoePa

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — ...John Nichols sat in his office in the old wing of the Willard Building, across the lawn from Old Main, fuming about what people have been saying, for two years now, about the university he loves.

John Nichols, a professor emeritus, contends that a child sexual abuse scandal has unfairly defined Penn State.

The campus was bustling. The students had returned. This bucolic town’s main drag, College Avenue, had come alive. Stores sold shirts that read, “Billieve” and “O’Brien’s Lions.” Football season was close, and almost everyone seemed excited for Coach Bill O’Brien’s second year.

Nichols sat behind his large wooden desk, surrounded by four full bookshelves. He has spent 36 years at Penn State. He raised his children here. He is a professor emeritus and a former chairman of the faculty senate. Now he was talking about Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno and he was getting angry. He sat up straighter. His eyes bulged. He threw his hands up.

“Just this last weekend, I was with some of my closest friends in another state,” he said. “Of course the subject always comes up — always comes up. It’s like a scarlet letter. And when I say that most of what you’ve read is not true, they look at you like — even close friends — they look at you like: ‘Are you a Holocaust denier? You’ve drunk the Penn State Kool-Aid. What other conspiracy theory do you have?’

“Can you imagine the frustration when you know that there’s been a gross mischaracterization of what has happened at Penn State? And that I and my kids who graduated from Penn State, my friends and colleagues here, are going to have to live with being guilty for crimes we did not commit?”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: academicbias; cultureofcorruption; homosexualagenda; jerrysandusky; lavendermafia; ncaa; nothingtoseehere; pedu; psu
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To: Lancey Howard

All one needs to know is that (former) Prezzy Spanier is a noted scholar of wife swapping.


21 posted on 09/16/2013 7:30:16 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Drango
Gerry Sandusky

That would be Jerry.

There's actually a sportscaster in Baltimore whose name is Gerry Sandusky, who has made it clear that he is NO RELATION to Jerry.

22 posted on 09/16/2013 7:31:02 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Drango

I have no idea where you’re going or what you’re trying to say. js is where he belongs. He was a retired employee of the University. Joe Paterno was praised by the OAG for his cooperation.

There were no investigations of the second mile - where all the kids came from. No investigations on the corrupt and incompetent state agencies that allowed js to adopt 6 kids and foster dozens more. Those aren’t Penn State issues, and they certainly aren’t Joe Paterno issues.

Louis Freeh - through MBNA - had much more contact with the second mile than Joe Paterno ever did. Hmmmm...

How this got from there to where we are now is a bunch of media malpractice, cover-ups of corporate and state assholes, and frankly hate - on the part of willing participants like you.

The truth will come out.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 7:34:00 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Disheartening that anyone would still be defending that enabler of pedophiles, Joe Paterno.

He reported that his assistant saw Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in the shower. Paterno did the bare legal minimum and no more. And Paterno continued to allow Sandusky access to Penn State facilities for *years* after that report.

Character shows in difficult situations. Paterno revealed himself to be a total scumbag. He either didn’t believe the assistant (yet kept him on the staff) or was okay that Sandusky continued to walk around a free man to abuse more boys.

Which one is it, apologists?


24 posted on 09/16/2013 7:34:58 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Drango
Jane Fonda, Mao TseTung and Gerry Sandusky were kinda OK in your book?

What does that moronic question have to do with Joe Paterno?

25 posted on 09/16/2013 7:35:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Dallas59

Um...even Mike McQueary - the star witness for the prosecution said that never happened. Even the jury (who would have convicted js on just about anything, given the climate) said that never happened. You read too many headlines.

On top of that, Victim #2 (the boy in the shower) has come forward and said himself that never happened.

But you go about your merry way. Don’t let any facts mess up your good time.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 7:38:26 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
The truth will come out.

And since you know it, and the rest of us don't, why don't you state it. While at it, it is customary to fully disclose one's connections and biases. You have been an advocate for whoever is judged guilty (rightly or wrongly) in this affair. Fine, but let's not posture as an objective outsider.

27 posted on 09/16/2013 7:38:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: highball
He reported that his assistant saw Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in the shower.

No he didn't. You're clueless. The assistant himself wasn't clear about what he saw. You are aware, aren't you, that the shower incident was the one incident Sandusky was ruled "not guilty" on? Of course you aren't - - you're clueless. In fact, I'd say it's you who are the scumbag.

28 posted on 09/16/2013 7:40:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: highball

You have almost everything imaginable incorrect in your post. I take that back - you have everything incorrect.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 7:41:56 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Revolting cat!

John Ziegler knows as close to the truth as anyone. He has spent nearly 2 years on this.

Bob Costas knows the truth as well. You’ll be hearing more from him soon.


30 posted on 09/16/2013 7:43:53 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Fine, stop buggering children.

To Late for this generation of football and Joe.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 7:44:45 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Dallas59

‘Penn must be full of homos.’

Of course Penn is an Ivy league school.

Thank you for displaying your ignorance. Continue posting though, this is fun.


32 posted on 09/16/2013 7:47:29 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: FlJoePa

“...wants poor image of Penn State to go away.”

They should just change their name to something with a better image ..... East of Ohio Community College.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 8:00:34 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives when they fail blame others and do the same thing again expecting different results)
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To: FlJoePa

I do find it highly amusing that the professor is upset that the narrative that has taken hold is at variance with his preferred narrative. Not much mention of the actual facts, although to be sure some of the facts will never be known such as just what did Coach Paterno know? (Maybe he was in denial, because the description of Sandusky’s activities vis’a’vis young boys would have pegged my creep-o-meter off scale-high.)

But for the professor to say that he’s hoping for the ultimate revealing of the truth, for a rectification ala the Duke Lacrosse case is just psychotic. Let us recall that it was a baying lynch mob of faculty members who drove that case even in the face of all evidence precisely because they wanted to create a narrative of white privilege, black victimhood and gender oppression that ascended far above the actual facts and supported and validated their leftist orientation. I’d like to see the series of op eds and amicus briefs that the professor emeritus, former faculty senate president of an eminent institution like Penn State penned in support of the Duke students.

I’ll bet there aren’t any. The Duke faculty enthusiastically threw their lacrosse team to the wolves, the facts be damned, because the narrative was right. Our Happy Valley prof was content to sit back and watch as those students were crucified by the campus crazies in the (whatever) Studies departments. Now he is upset by a narrative that doesn’t go his way.

(Although the Duke players did appear to have been involved in some pretty low behavior and serious lack of class and judgement)

And he, and a lot of folks here are upset that an entire institution is blackened by the actions of one man, Jerry Sandusky. But really, was it just one man? So far, there is prima facie evidence that the head of the university, the athletic director and others knew damn well of Sandusky’s predations and covered them up. If they are convicted at trial, what will our professor say then?

And how did Sandusky access his victims? Through an infrastructure created by Penn State and its institutional fetish for football. Why did he get cover? Because Paterno was God and all his works Divine and so no scandal or scrutiny must be allowed to intrude. Everything must be hushed up and buried lest the football program money diminish.

It was all about the almighty buck.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 8:00:39 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: a fool in paradise
Rumor has it they are considering rebranding as State Penn!

I heard, the Green Boy Packers.

35 posted on 09/16/2013 8:17:06 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: FlJoePa
Groups want poor image of Penn State to go away

Yeah. I want a million dollars and a Rolls Royce but I think we're all going to be disappointed.

36 posted on 09/16/2013 8:18:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: FlJoePa
Groups want poor image of Penn State to go away

Yeah. I want a million dollars and a Rolls Royce but I think we're all going to be disappointed.

37 posted on 09/16/2013 8:18:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: SargeK

Um...js met and groomed his victims through his charity - the second mile. The second mile is not affiliated with the University. He was a retired employee from PSU, and employeed by the second mile. I don’t get how this can’t be comprehended by so many.

The PSU board of trustees and then interim president threw the football program and Joe Paterno under a much larger bus than the Duke admins ever could have imagined.

They hand-picked louis freeh to do a one-sided investigation (w/out talking to ANY of the particulars in the case) and also to continue to cover up THEIR connections to the second mile. They (the PSU administration) most likely WROTE the ncaa sanctions and signed a consent decree so they couldn’t be appealed.

You think the ncaa could come up with an investigation to warrant what they did w/out PSU’s blessing? Look how the Miami investigation went for them. Penn State has never, EVER committed a major ncaa infraction in ANY sport in it’s history (the only school that can say that). They still haven’t to this day. They also graduate 90% of their student athletes.

And yet the football program was handed the worst punishment in the history of collegiate sports. For something they had nothing to do with.

The second mile was a HUGE charity and funneled a LOT of money from a LOT of corporations to a LOT of politicos - including the sitting governor. A sitting governor who ironically was the AG who sat on the js case for years until he got elected governor.

Follow the money - it doesn’t lead anywhere near McKee St. in State College.


38 posted on 09/16/2013 8:18:27 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

JoePa had his chance to speak up when he first learned of Sandusky’s behavior. He instead chose to be quiet, do the bare minimum, and play CYA. He was an average coach and a less than average man. Give it up because you are making a fool of yourself.


39 posted on 09/16/2013 8:19:23 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Oh Crap!)
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To: SargeK

One last thing. How would turning in a pedophile - an ex-employee - that Paterno despised (the feeling was mutual) be bad for business? How would that cost PSU Football money?

I’ve never understood that premise, as it makes absolutely no sense.


40 posted on 09/16/2013 8:24:49 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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