Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How much is too much? (Vanity)
Self ^ | 9/14/13 | Zeugma

Posted on 09/14/2013 2:37:12 PM PDT by zeugma

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-35 last
To: zeugma

and they can give the gummint a record of yer blood type


21 posted on 09/14/2013 5:18:47 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
Of course, I have no way of knowing. But I suspect that these guys may already have been using donor blood for various purposes, including experimentation or—who knows?—cloning, or other questionable purposes.

If so, then it’s likely that somebody sued them, and their lawyers told them that they had to change the forms to cover all the bases.

Agreed. That's one of the things I was thinking earlier as well. I guess it was just the in-your-face nature of it that I just couldn't stomach.

 

22 posted on 09/14/2013 5:28:14 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: lee martell
I haven’t donated in a long time. Back when I was in college and almost broke, I would often give plasma donations and get paid about $8.

Ha! These days they don't even do that. You get "credits" at an online store that let you get tshirts and such. It's a bit if a scam for them, as they charge quite a bit to hospitals for the donated blood they receive, but I don't really mind that. It's a business. They've just reached a point now that I don't think I can continue to do business with them.

23 posted on 09/14/2013 5:44:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: discostu
I don't see how it is "silly" to expect them to abide by the expectation that the blood be used for its intended purpose. Like any transaction, you can negotiate terms. If you were buying a car, and they offered you a 'deal' of 25% interest, would you just take it, or try to negotiate something better?

If they can't deal with having a checkbox that I don't want to participate in other things I didn't give my consent for, then there is no deal. Pretty simple really.

24 posted on 09/14/2013 5:47:55 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
I'm aware that they can't deal with partial draws, and it would make sense in those cases. (Although your consent would still be required IMO) Reading through the document, it didn't seem like that was the case. It looked more like it was going to be a routine part of most, if not all draws. I suspect what they use for that, are the separate vials they draw apart from the actual donation that are a part of the normal routine.

As for thanks, you're quite welcome but to me, its really just something that I consider to be 'the least I can do', since I'm healthy, and there is no alternative in some cases for folks than having real human blood.

25 posted on 09/14/2013 5:53:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

Unless you are giving blood directly to the hospital, then you are giving blood for free, which is then sold for hundreds of dollars.

Red Cross and other donation locations that are “independent” are “for profit.” Don’t let them kid you. They sell to the highest bidder.


26 posted on 09/14/2013 6:10:53 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SES1066
As I said in my previous post (#12), I have mixed feelings on this topic, but I do believe that your response might be a little naive. When you get down to genetic research, EVERYTHING about the source cells is important. If there is an antibody that is of interest, lots of personal info could be needed to see where and why the exposure created it.

Yup. Also, the medical industry has gone as far as attempting to patent the DNA and other things that were donated to them in programs like this.

I read a story a while back about a fellow in Australia that had a really weird blood type, that could be used with infants. He was apparently the sole source world-wide for whatever it was that was in his blood. I can't recall if they've been able to synthesise it artificially, but he was single-handedly responsible for tens of thousands if not more, of saved lives. If they did, I would question whether or not he should have been compensated for it.

Also, as stated previously on the thread, every single vial is barcoded. They'll know exactly where it came from if they want to.

I figured I'd look the fellow up. Looks like I mistated the impact this guy had. From wikipedia:


James Harrison, OAM, also known as the Man with the golden arm, is a blood plasma donor[1] from Australia whose unusual plasma composition has been used to make a treatment for Rhesus disease. He has made over 1000 donations throughout his lifetime, and these donations are estimated to have saved over two million unborn babies from the condition.[1][2][3]


Wow.

27 posted on 09/14/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

I found out my local hospital charges $4,000 a pint bag for blood. I still give blood though, makes me feel like superman the rest of the day. My last time on the table I pumped out a pint in 6 minutes, hehe. My friend had 7 stiches in his hand and went to the above hospital, he got a 3,700 dollar bill. We made a pact to stich ourselves up from now on, thank you very much.


28 posted on 09/14/2013 6:52:31 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Delta 21

I was a regular blood donor (rare type BTW) before & after 9-11-01. Ate my first Chick Fil-A with a coupon the Red Cross gave me for my 9-11 donation.

That was long AFTER I had been stationed in Germany 1981-83.

Been disqualified for years now due to `mad cow exposure’. Sucks.


29 posted on 09/15/2013 6:42:54 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

It’s “intended” purpose is whatever they want to do with it. Once you give it to them it’s theirs, they can give to people that need blood in their body, or their test tubes, their call not yours. This isn’t about negotiating terms, it’s about ownership, once you buy that car it’s yours to do with as you please, the dealer has no say in the matter. It’s not just about having a checkbox, it’s then a matter of tracking, they’d have to track the blood and make sure it was used according to the checkbox. It might be simple, but it’s wasted effort because it’s not your blood anymore and what you want to have happen to it doesn’t matter anymore.


30 posted on 09/15/2013 10:20:25 AM PDT by discostu (This is why we have ants!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

I realize your brushing off of the “thanks” is because you see it as a reasonable expectation - but many many people don’t see it that way. A very small percentage of the population make regular blood donations. A very small increase in the number of donors would increase the blood supply to a point that we likely wouldn’t have to hear the please for blood during those “peak” times.

I’m not sure about the need for consent on partial draws (or even full donations), unless that is a policy change (or regulation change). One might make an argument that such an organization that you donate blood too SHOULD at least let you know that blood products might be used for other purposes than those we normally associate with said donations.

As far as the separate vials - over the years, it has increased from one, to two, and the last time I donated, I believe there were three vials attached to the collection bag that were also filled. When I ask, they said that they all are for testing purposes. But as always, YMMV


31 posted on 09/17/2013 9:12:58 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: elcid1970

Mad Cow exposure???? YOu’ve got to be kidding!!!! 30 YEARS after the fact? I believe you are WAY beyond any conceivable incubation period!


32 posted on 09/17/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Hugin
Why go to the bother and expense of tracking the identity of each donor?

They have to, at least to a point. First - because of the extensive battery of testing done on the blood samples (those attached vials) for AIDS, Hepatitis, etc.) but also, sort of like a serial number in case something comes up later.

33 posted on 09/17/2013 9:16:32 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: jaydee770

Me, too - although my service was early 90s. And I’m O-negative.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 9:22:51 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman

Just checked their eligibility list. Stationed in Germany more than six months during 1980-1990 means “no go”. Apparently there is a human-invasive strain of mad cow disease. Given the last two presidential elections there may be something to that.

But just wait, sooner or later the faggies are going to go to the head of the donation line. PC is a powerful thing.


35 posted on 09/17/2013 10:27:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-35 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson