Posted on 09/10/2013 5:20:03 PM PDT by Kevmo
I don’t think it’s unusual from a theory but, the one touted for several years here on FR can’t be replicated.
A third-party verification report was recently published of a product that will hit the market this year, showcasing a cold fusion cell that was hot enough to create dry steam (which is necessary to generate electricity). The results show that energy density (i.e. the amount of energy by weight) was 5 orders of magnitude (tens of thousands of times) over that of fossil fuel. [6] That inventor has said that the time for words is over, and the proof will be when a cold fusion product is introduced to the market. If that is the case, then we wont have to wait long for proof
The third party is not identified. There is no link to the report. The inventor is not identified. His claims are not substantiated. No scientific or technical paper is referenced. Etc, etc, etc, etc.
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pathological skepticism is hardly what freepers here have on this subject.
we’d all love to see it work. we’d love for’it to be true.
however when you have the most recent guy pushjing it, that has a checkered past of running scams, it isn’t patholigical skepticism not to simply’take his word on it. the independent tests have never run the way they said they would, some have ended early, there’s always been external power supplies used instead of at somepoint allowing some of the power of the ‘reaction’ itself to be used to power any safeguards or elements of the experiment that need power.
people have a right to be skeptical of a guy who has been involved in prior scams. a person like this is not the best poster child for trusting a never-before-seen energy source that appears to be too good to be true.
we would love for it to be true.
Not really.
It used to be the only way to shut down debate when people had opinions that differed from yours was to call them "racist" and they were obligated to STFU.
Now we have another magic word to make people STFU... skeptopath!
however when you have the most recent guy pushjing it, that has a checkered past of running scams, it isnt patholigical skepticism not to simplytake his word on it.
***First of all, where do you get the information that this most recent guy has been running scams? Yes, he’s had failed businesses, but scams? Where’s the evidence. He was prosecuted for defrauding his investors — but there was only ONE investor, himself. So he was prosecuted for defrauding himself.
Secondly, it is pathological skepticism to throw the baby out with the bath water. You don’t divest yourself of all energy stocks just because Enron was a scam.
http://moneymorning.com/2010/09/01/financial-scams-5/
I agree that Rossi has a checkered history and he’s not trustworthy, but that’s just Rossi. No reason to throw out all of the LENR research and 14,720 replications just because he joined in.
It seems that dozens of those skeptologists flock to these LENR threads.
the independent tests have never run the way they said they would,
***This happens often in science.
some have ended early,
***Data please.
theres always been external power supplies used
***A big “so what” should apply here. The point of the independent test was that the output power had 50,000 times more energy density than gasoline.
instead of at somepoint allowing some of the power of the reaction itself to be used to power any safeguards or elements of the experiment that need power.
***This happened in other tests, just not the independent ones.
This!
all i am saying is he shouldn’t be the guy to lead the cold fusion revolution if there’s going to be one. it casts doubt on the whole endeavor.
and unlike other things where’s the open investors, where’s someone explaining the actual science as to what is exactly occurring in the reactions and how that give the over-unity energy? i know rossi never explained the why as to why this works, it’s more of a we just know it works kind of thing.
and you keep glossing over the fact we would love for it to be true. one way we’d know would be an actualproduct i could buy, or that anyone could buy, that wasn’t a prototype but a real production run consumer product. another would be any’list of real investors that are on record and have substantial money set aside for gearing up for production of a product.
do you know anyone who’s invested in this stuff? i’d like to know who’s putting money’behind it to build commercially available products. that can be 100% independently tested as a working product.
data please...? go google it. i’ve read the stories, they were even posted here.
i’m not your personal damn cerie.
Not me! To me, that's like saying I'd love witchcraft to be true, because this is just about as blatantly contrafactual ... you know ... ultimately.
i am for cheap clean energy and if this can work, i am for it. energy means freedom. individually and societally.
This talk was about the reason for the move. They want to use it to investigate the "g value" of the muon, which deviates from 2 by about one part in one thousand, and the exact deviation is understood and measured to within one part per billion. Well, they want to "nail down" this deviation to see if it deviates from the theory in the parts per trillion. This would be a crisis of understanding, you see.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Cold Fusion asks us to believe that our understanding of nuclear phenomena is uncertain not in the parts per billion, but rather off by FACTORS of hundreds or thousands. So you know, hole in the universe ... witchcraft.
There has been no "the one" touted. There are some skeptics who try to make that seem the case, but CF/LENR posting here has covered a broader area. Threads have been posted about many researchers and efforts.
How about accepting hard physical evidence instead of objecting on the basis of "we already know it all"?? You know, experiments get run, data collected and published...those kinds of things.
You "have" actually read research reports on CF???
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