Lets see...Suddenly you've gone from "Investigation" to "initial inquire"....rusty is getting it.
For the record I agree, "initial inquire" is all they should do. They should never ever conduct an "investigation".
An investigation is the systematic detailed search or examination in order to discover facts. No?
In fact government school teachers and their administrators are not even trained to conduct investigative interviews. No?
1. Government school teachers and administrators are not trained investigators, nor a are they trained to be investigators.
2. Government entities, schools, police departments, the IRS, the Feds etc, should never be allowed investigate themselves or conduct internal investigations due to obvious biases and conflicts of interest. No?
In fact, this is a why there is an inordinate amount of corruption in government public schools, police departments, the IRS, the federal government and in fact government at ALL levels. This is directly due to the fact there is no real independent oversight of these corrupt government institutions. They just do what they please.
Do you not understand this rusty?
re: “For the record I agree, “initial inquire” is all they should do. They should never ever conduct an “investigation”.
Dragnet, call it an “initial inquiry”, or an “initial investigation” - they are part of an “investigation”.
What is the significant difference between an “initial inquiry/initial investigation” and an “investigation”, dragnet?? Aren’t they all part of the investigation process?
Principals do investigations up to a point. If, in the process of their interviews/investigation/inquiry they find that there is evidence that this may rise to the level of a criminal matter, they MUST notify the police, who then take over the investigation that has already been started.
You seem to think a principal or a teacher is incapable of asking questions when looking into a situation or event that happened at school.
What do the police do when they “investigate” something, dragnet? Don’t they ask questions?? Don’t they interview everyone involved?
You seem to be saying that every event that happens at school that might involve discipline of a student or a teacher must involve the police department. From chewing gum to a schoolyard fight, you want the cops to investigate??
No one ever said that the investigations that principals do have the same force of law that the police have. Which isn’t a problem because the vast majority of disciplinary incidents that occur are not of a criminal nature.
Now, it is true that a principal is the supervisor of every faculty member, and what they put in a report about a teacher CAN indeed severely hurt that teacher’s career. The teacher, if he/she chooses, can get their own legal defense.
“An investigation is the systematic detailed search or examination in order to discover facts. No? In fact government school teachers and their administrators are not even trained to conduct investigative interviews. No?”
I agree, in general, with your definition of an “investigation”, but I disagree with you about teachers/administrators not being capable of conducting investigative interviews. Were your parents trained investigators, dragnet? Did they ever discover something you did through their own “investigation”? This is not forensic science, dragnet. If a kid punches another kid. You talk to everyone involved, witnesses, etc. This stuff happens nearly every week - are you seriously saying only cops can investigate this? A kid trashes up the boys bathroom - how do you find out who did this? You ask questions, you find out what time the kid was gone from the classroom, you discover all the evidence you can, then go form there.
Were you ever in school, dragnet? Do you have kids, dragnet? Have you ever had to look into what they were doing? It’s not that difficult.
“1. Government school teachers and administrators are not trained investigators, nor a are they trained to be investigators.”
Just curious, dragnet, when you say, “government school teachers”, which government are you talking about? The federal government, or your local school district? The federal government or the state you reside in? Public school teachers are not employed by the federal government, they work for your state government and local school district. They are not from Washington D.C.
To answer your question about being “trained investigators” - what are you talking about? We’re not talking about crime scenes here. We’re talking about crap that happens at school everyday. If a weapon or real assault takes place, then yes, as I’ve already answered 20 times now, the police are brought in.
As to a principal supervising a teacher - both are trained in their profession. A principal has had years of experience in the classroom, then must go through two or three years of internship as an “assistant principal” (it depends on the state). The principals are trained in how to evaluate teachers in their profession. Each state has an evaluation process, and yes, principals are trained in evaluating teachers under their supervision.
Let me ask you a question. If principals or teachers are unqualified to do preliminary investigations of everyday school incidences, then who do you suggest DOES have that authority?? I’m speaking of “investigating” a schoolyard scuffle, chewing gum under the table, disruptions within the classroom, etc. Are you seriously suggesting that cops do this?? I can tell you right now that they would laugh in your face. You can barely get them to investigate burglaries let alone a schoolyard brawl.
So, if the cops won’t investigate chewing gun incidences, who do you suggest should?