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This book is disturbing to me so far, not in the least because if it turns out to be an apologia to the Crown and 18th century England, I have given my hard earned money to this author whose viewpoint I am coming to detest.

As I said above, I have always tried to view those men of the American war for independence as flawed, human and fallible men, but this one seems so far to that viewpoint that I am concerned I am somehow not understanding it correctly at all.

Given what I have read to this point, it would not surprise me if the author was a far left liberal with an axe to grind against the current day Tea Party movement, and this was his way of attempting to deconstruct the foundations of this country.

I am well aware of the viewpoints that the founders had elements of ungrateful selfishness in their refusal to recognize claims that England was simply trying to extract taxes to pay for money spent by the crown in protecting the ungrateful colonials, but this author takes this as prima facie evidence that the colonials were wrong to fairly consider this aspect.

I have always felt there was a degree of truth to the Crown's motives in this their efforts to tax the colonials, but I have never accepted as wrong the stubbornness of the colonials to not accept all that was done with respect to taxation as the be all and end all of the benevolence of the crown.

Any comments on this? I intend to finish this book, but this really bothered me today.

1 posted on 09/01/2013 6:16:15 PM PDT by rlmorel
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To: rlmorel

I realized several years ago, while studying history, that the royalists never left after the revolution. It appears their descendants have been working to undermine our republic ever since and have found common cause with the European Fabian Socialists, Frankfurt School, and of course the USSR. Socialism is nothing but populist rhetoric for tyranny.


2 posted on 09/01/2013 6:25:26 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: rlmorel

Just an excuse to bash Israel.


3 posted on 09/01/2013 6:36:44 PM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: rlmorel

“I find myself wondering why this conservative friend of mine would recommend this book to me.”

maybe your friend is a closet lib and hates you.(j/k) Recommend Mark Levin’s book and ask him what he thinks of it.


4 posted on 09/01/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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RLM - Please do me a favor? FReepmail me after you finish the book and tell me if it's worth buying. I never knew it existed until reading this thread.

I loved Mayflower, but I read it for pleasure only. I never considered that the author may have a bias. Maybe the "NY Times Bestseller" should've been a clue for me!

The last two places I've lived have been Plymouth and Charlestown, Massachusetts, so his works hold a special interest for me.

For now, Bunker Hill is on my Amazon wish list.

Thank you in advance.

Al

8 posted on 09/01/2013 6:46:09 PM PDT by LurkingSince1943 (Former War Criminal)
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Your review of the book here is interesting. Apparently history is no longer taught in many of our high schools. I was watching the teen tournament on Jeapordy last week and the 3 finalists knew nothing about General (President) Eisenhower. This book sounds like another re-writing of history by the liberals.


12 posted on 09/01/2013 7:00:07 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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Few things irritate me like people who trash the Founders. They’ll cheerfully tell anyone that Washington owned slaves, Jefferson slept with slaves, whatever knocks a Founder off the pedestal and gives the critic a chance to sound sophisticated and well-read.
When I hear such things I’m as thorough and merciless as a wood chipper.
Thank you for the warning. Too bad Philbrick didn’t stick to Nantucket history, and even there he wasn’t the best to be read. :(


15 posted on 09/01/2013 7:02:33 PM PDT by HomeAtLast (Galt's Gulch: it isn't Valley Forge.)
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Just as I suspected ping


17 posted on 09/01/2013 7:14:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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It sounds like the supermarket tabloid culture to me, but that’s not a new thing either — there were ancient authors, some of whose work survives, that recorded scurrilous fables about the high and mighty.

John Adams was a bona fide nut, but he also played a vital role in organizing the Revolution; he defended the British soldiers tried for the Boston Massacre; and perhaps most importantly, took on the most difficult job of the era, perhaps of all time — he followed George Washington as POTUS. That’s not the only reason he had just one term, or why his presidency suffers in comparison with both Washington and Jefferson who followed Adams, but it was one reason.


18 posted on 09/01/2013 7:27:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Today’s liberals are the descendants of the Revolution’s loyalists.


19 posted on 09/01/2013 7:29:40 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: rlmorel
To learn more about Bunker Hill, without the absurd Tory slant, read Fleming's Now We Are Enemies or Ketchum's Decisive Day.

Thanks for your perspective; now I can avoid reading the slanderous screed which was recommended to you.

23 posted on 09/01/2013 7:49:58 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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The crown implemented taxes without the Colonists consent or representation. They also for the most part allowed the Indians to pillage those on the frontier.

Furthermore the Colonists contributed buckets of blood fighting the French and Indians. For the most part the French and Indians whipped the British Regulars butts, and it was those lowly Colonist who did most of the winning.

This sounds like another revisionist pile of poodoo.

24 posted on 09/01/2013 8:05:09 PM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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Humanity almost entirely consists of crooked timbers, but, like journalists, historians sometimes have too great a fondness for telling of the flaws and errors of historical figures without placing them in proper context. The larger point is to recognize that the many weaknesses that we see on our own side today will not necessarily be fatal to our cause.


25 posted on 09/01/2013 8:10:19 PM PDT by Rockingham
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I loved this book. I am a tea party conservative and a Sarah Palin follower. I read this book twice over a couple years. Likewise, I read his other book, “Mayflower,” which was awesome. I never thought he was a bleeding heart at all. I thought it was kind of a warts and all type of story. I honestly love this author and I loved these 2 books. I read nothing but history.


35 posted on 09/01/2013 10:37:59 PM PDT by emotionalcripple
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I read the book . I didn’t see it as an apology for the crown. The author actually uses a lot of the principal players actual correspondence and shows them warts and all.

From the rioting resulting from the British seizure of Hancock’s ship Liberty leading to the occupation of Boston in 1768, through the bravery of America’s first black war hero at Bunker Hill, Salem Poor, to the entry of George Washington on the world stage, the author does a nice job of bringing together events that are usually addressed separately in history classes and make no sense out of context.

It’s also an excellent summary of the events leading up to the revolution. I didn’t see that the author was taking the King’s side at all. It’s just a fact that the British wanted us to pay some of the debt they incurred for defending us in the French and Indian War.

It’s also a fact that the provincials preferred to govern themselves and resisted attempts by Parliament to exercise their authority.

I enjoyed the book quite a bit.


36 posted on 09/01/2013 10:39:08 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Haven’t read the book, but it is just a fact that the history of our Revolution is a great deal more complicated and less justified than has traditionally been taught in America.

The single most obvious issue is the Patriot assumption that the British government intended to progressively destroy their freedoms, that there was a conscious conspiracy to do so.

We have the records of Cabinet meetings and other government documents, and there just was no such conspiracy. The British stumbled into war due much more to incompetence and inattention than malevolence.

You will find it difficult to locate a greater fan of the Declaration of Independence than I, but the greater part of it, the list of grievances against the King, is at best one-sided spin and at worst largely lies. If you go through the list one at a time and examine the truthfulness of the claim this is easy to see.

You will note that later British colonization of the American type, overseas settlement of British and other whites, is mostly absent tyrannical oppression of the type Americans claimed was the British intent. After all, there are certainly much worse national fates than becoming Canada or Australia. To be fair, the Brits didn’t get into another American type of colonial war possibly because they were taught a very sharp lesson by us.

The Loyalists were also appallingly mistreated. MUCH worse than Confederates were. It is actually kind of funny to read Confederate apologists complaining about how constitutional rights were violated by Lincoln, when in a somewhat similar civil war the Founders themselves violated the rights of Loyalists much more severely.


37 posted on 09/01/2013 11:06:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: rlmorel

I found this boring, poorly organized and padded, but not especially leftist.


42 posted on 09/02/2013 7:38:11 AM PDT by Argus
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