Posted on 08/18/2013 5:55:38 AM PDT by Daffynition
German parents will no longer be legally obliged to register their newborn child as male or female, and will instead be officially allowed to assign the baby a “third gender” if the sex cannot be clearly identified at birth.
The new law will come into force on November 1, on the back of a constitutional court decision which states that as long as a person “deeply feels” that they belong to a certain gender, they have a personal right to choose how they legally identify themselves.
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When all children in Germany are Moslem, this issue will pretty much go away.
A “third gender” if the sex cannot be clearly identified at birth?
Are there blind doctors in Germany?????
True. Mohammedans pretty much consign intersex children to brothels.
They will all be concentrated rather than out in society.
I “Deeply feel” I would make a far better president than anyone since Reagan. So when do I get the job? Who is the govt to deny me?
There are a small percentage of children born as “intersex,” with genitalia not clearly identifiable as either male or female, or sometimes as a combination of both.
These are of course just another variety of birth defects, and it is obscene that ideologues will exploit these unfortunate children to justify their idiotic belief hat sex/gender is a continuum, not a polarity.
Cousin IT!
No there are educated doctors in Germany.
A lack of education on your part does not equate to ignorance on their part.
This is a minority problem, as intersex births run between one in fifteen hundred and one in two thousand.
Doing corrective surgeries at birth is causing problems that may be rectified by waiting.
This is in regard to medical ambiguities, not psychological problems.
Educate yourself.
Genuine intersex people are a tiny percentage. This move is based on adults’ “feelings” about “gender,” not on anything to do with infants’ biological sex.
"if the sex cannot be clearly identified at birth"
I've been a doctor for a thousand years and these two assisting nurses have the combined experience of 857 years and we .. by Gott .. can't tell if that's a penis or an enlarged clitoris ....
must be a third gender.
I’m old enough to remember when friends and relatives sweated out the draft. Men ran off to Canada, claimed to be insane, mutilated their bodies, or committed crimes to avoid having to serve in the armed forces. How ironic to know they could have simply decided they were women...
Anyone whom thinks that this is going to be limited to actual cases of real intersex cases, then I have a bridge to Berlin to sell you.
The articles on this I’ve read with comment sections are full of homos salivating at how they can exploit this law.
How will it be listed?
() He
() She
() It
Check only one, please!
True.
Wiki has this, citations numbered and bracketed:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudohermaphroditism
Use of the term “pseudohermaphroditism” can be problematic, and is now considered redundant.[10] The term “pseudohermaphroditism” was created by Edwin Klebs in 1876,[11][12] long before the genetic roles of the X chromosome and Y chromosome and the social components of gender identity were well characterized, which is why the term is usually used to describe the dissonance between gonadal histology and external genital appearance.
The term “intersexuality” was introduced by Richard Goldschmidt in 1923.[11][13] However, the term “intersex” has also been challenged; the Lawson Wilkins Pediatric Endocrine Society and the European Society for Pediatric Endocrinology have adopted a nomenclature system based on disorders of sex development, which covers “congenital conditions in which development of chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex is atypical” and thus replaces many disparate terms, including but not limited to those based on “hermaphrodite.”[10][14]
One example of the challenges involved in the use of the term is the case of women with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS). These women often have primary and secondary sexual characteristics typical of other women; however, they are genetically XY and have internal testes, rather than ovaries. They have the same likelihood of a genetically XX woman of enjoying sexual pleasure but are unable to biologically reproduce. Their sexuality (homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual etc.) is unrelated to this syndrome. However scientifically precise the description “male” pseudohermaphrodite may be for such women, it is clearly socially inappropriate. CAIS is considered little better by some, as the S for syndrome in CAIS does not accord with the “normality” many CAIS women feel about their bodies.
In human beings, the sex status is defined at four levels: chromosomal (XY; XX), internal organs (ovaries; testicles), external organs (breasts, vulva + vagina; penis), and psyche (sexual identity). In a XX human the default development process results in a female. In a XY human a set of genes on the Y chromosome trigger a cascade of events normally resulting in a male. A complete female or male developmental process entails the expression of female and male sex hormones, respectively, and of their corresponding receptors in the target tissues. Without these hormones and their receptors, the internal and external sex organs, and psyche, will not develop as expected. Sex hormones, their receptors, and downstream signal transduction proteins are coded by genes that may be genetically defective.
All these factors mean that genetic mutations can block the sexual development process at three stages: (a) before the development of the internal sex organs; (b) after the development of the internal sex organs but before the development of external sex organs; and (c) after the development of external sex organs but before the maturation of the sexual component of the psyche.
While in (a) the XY human will be indistinguishable anatomically and psychologically from a female; in (b) the individual may either be born with ambiguous external genitals or have genitals apparently in the normal range at birth but, at pubertal age, not develop secondary sexual characteristics at all or develop secondary sexual characteristics that do not match the external genitals; and in (c) the individual will be transgendered (formerly referred to as transsexual).
There are other intersexual states that are not the result of the genetic configurations above.
In particular, where either the individual is a chimera - resulting from a fusion of two distinct embryos, one male and one female, during fetal development (not a genetic mosaic), or the individual contains duplicated chromosomes in the genome (XXY; XXXY). In the former case some tissues will be in the XX and others in the XY configuration; in the latter, all cells contain the Y chromosome and may or may not use it. This is a gynandromorph, which has both female and male characteristics at all four levels and may have either ambiguous sex organs (the XY/XX configuration may not be evenly distributed throughout the body) or unambiguous male and female sex organs (hermaphrodite).
Paging Corporal Clinger! Please answer the white phone.
Occasionally, and only occasionally, some poor babies are born with both genitalia. There has to be choice made at birth as to which genitalia to keep and which not to.
It's a DREADFUL birth defect but it does happen.
Lord help the baby whose parents let the poor baby grow up with both so that s/he can choose.
Absolutely bonkers.
Why don’t they add a check box for ‘Aardvark’ as well?
Makes about as much sense.
There are rare occasions when the genitalia do not properly form in the womb. Since male and female genitalia both develop from the same beginning set of cells, if can make identification of gender difficult in these instances.
What normally happens is the child is given a DNA to determine gender and reconstructive surgery is done to crete genitals that match the DNA.
I guess the Germans would prefer to let the child suffer and later decide for him or herself.
I have read tabloid articles where the teenaged or adult transgendered brought suit against the doctors and/or their parents for the corrective surgery on the grounds that they were denied the freedom to either choose or to simply live as they were born. They claim the corrective procedures were the cause of their suffering.
From what I have read, it is easier to make this correction at birth than to wait until the child is physically mature. However, feelings trump logic in this world today.
I wonder what percentage of those born intersex who had the surgery right after birth are silent and content with the choices made for them? If their hormones are at odds with their appearance, I could see where there would be psychological and perhaps even physical discomfort.
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