Posted on 08/13/2013 1:23:17 PM PDT by Venturer
Pete Rose says he should have picked Alcohol , drugs or beating his wife.
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It is not merely a “taboo”. Professional athletes betting on games involving their own teams completely undermine the integrity of the game. If fans have reasonable suspicians that games are fixed or affected by gambling by players, managers or coaches, the sport will be in DEEP trouble.
True,he would burn out his bullpen on games he bet on,and saved his bullpen on games he didn’t.
>>>Cheaters are in the HoF, yet Pete sits out for putting money on his team to win.<<<
Betting on his team to lose would be even worse, but betting on a game involving your team is an unpardonable sin in sports.
As manager of the Reds, if Rose had a large bet on say game #87, he might make managing decisions that would hurt his team’s chances of winning future games. For example, he might bring his ace pitcher who was scheduled to pitch game 88 in in the 7th inning of game 87, making him unable to make his regular start. Or he might leave his ace pitcher in a game too long, causing him to injure his arm and miss the rest of the season.
Rose’s lifetime ban is just. Allowing him to manage, coach, play (obviously he is too old for that) would make a mockery of the game.
He has nobody to blame but himself. The best known rules of MLB are that you don’t bet on baseball, and especially not on games involving your team, which brings an automatic, lifetime ban.
Lots of controversy on both sides.
Personally I am on Pete’s side for the Hall of Fame. He did what he did, there is no denying it., and he did it drug free as far as we know.
As for denigrating the game , no one can denigrate it any worse than those cheating and drug enhancing their records.
In the last ten years we have no idea who set a real record, and who didn’t.
What is the hall of fame for, if not to remember the greatest players.
I guess there would be a ‘moral person hall of fame’ to remember stalwart moral people like Wilburforce and Clara Barton. Rose wouldn’t be there I suppose.
Noted, good put.
Alex Karras also bet on Detroit to win and was banned from Football.
Tough for him, he had go go on to a career as an actor, in Victor Victoria, Blazing Saddles, Webster.
Cheating to do better is very different from letting the mob pick the winners of games. That is the inevitable outcome of betting on games.
They only undermine the game if they bet on their team to lose.
If they want to win, well of course!
So don’t let him play baseball.
The hall of fame is not baseball.
If so, his ban should remain. If not they should allow him in.
In either case, he's correct to point out the flaws with today's athletes; the same problems are in most of the other sports as well.
If Rose is responsible for Bart Giamatti’s death, then he saved Giamatti from the great indignity of being canned a few years later when the baseball owners decided they’d had enough of the Strong Commissioner model.
The smoking might have had something to do with it.
As I stated in one of my posts, I do think they should have left it up to the baseball writers to decide whether or not he belongs in the HOF. I tend to think they would treat him pretty much the way they have treated the PED users. He’d probably get more votes than they have gotten, but not enough to be inducted.
Clarification: I think it was exactly one month prior to Rose’s lifetime suspension, he was managing the Reds at the time.
“I think the baseball hall of fame is hurt more by the exclusion of Rose, than Rose is hurt by being excluded from it.”
I think he probably should go in, but no way is being exclusionary hurtful to any hall of fame. I think it’s the exact opposite in fact.
Which hall of fame matters more: Football, basketball, rock and roll, or baseball? I think baseball, because it’s the hardest to get in, and some of the others have mandatory inductions every year, which has to be the dumbest thing ever for a hall of fame.
Freegards
Totally agree. I love baseball, but I don’t care to watch or hear about the accomplishments of mercenary drug-taking millionaires in ephemeral sporty clothing with my city’s name on it.
Anyone who defends Rose by saying “he bet on his team to win” doesn’t understand how organized crime works. How do you think it would have worked if he bet on them to “lose” and who takes that bet anyway? Every clubhouse in Professional Baseball, including the MLB has one sign in it that says NO GAMBLING.
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