It’s kind of hard to retreat when someone’s on top of you punching you in the face and slamming your head into the concrete.
How does a person retreat when pined to the ground getting the snot beat out of you?
I like Chesty Pullers observation on retreat, “Actually we have more enemy behind us than in front.”
Translation: “Just hand over your wallet or purse, your watch, jewelry, your car keys, etc. and F^%$ Off!”
How does one retreat when knocked to the ground with a stronger guy sitting on your chest pounding your head against the concrete?
Has the author ever had his nose broken? That can result in pain so great that you are almost immobilized.
But pain or not, there is the matter of a big guy sitting on your chest.
This is what the whole Zimmerman case is about. It is a response to failure of gun control measures in Congress and state legislatures.
“You can have your guns, but if you dare to use them against our favored people, we’ll rake you over the coals, just like Zimmerman.”
Anti-American.
Is that what cops do?
Thoughts?
Absolutely.
They are part of building a national narrative about Zimmerman failing to ID himself, “following”, and not “retreating”.
That will be the basis of the civil suit...not the civil rights suit.
The civil suit will be used, they hope, to bankrupt Zimmerman, and to present as evidence of their correctness all along.
The civil rights suit will proceed without any evidence because it will: (1) come about next year to distract at an opportune time during the mid-term elections, and (2) it keeps racial tension boiling.
What about the modern MSM’s responsibility to commit seppuku to atone for their stupidity, ignorance, and general idiocy?
Brave, Brave, Brave Sir Robin
Bravely Turned his Tail and Ran
Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger rears it’s ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
He gallantly chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat.
Oh bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
Trayvon thought the police or security guard was followign him. so he did the next logical thing. attacked. now, if oyu thought it might be police or security and knowing they can be armed, do you attack or do you retreat? Trayvon did not retreat. George was unable to retreat once confronted.
I read the comment section after most of these news articles. People on both sides of the discussion seem to be in agreement that none of this would have happened if GZ had stayed in his car. So now we must stay out of certain neighborhoods, do not go out alone after dark regardless of the neighborhood now, and not get out of our cars. Wouldn’t it be much easier if we were told to stay in our homes and not be allowed out at all. What is the word for that...segregation? People will say but it is only common sense to stay safe. Really is that how we WANT to live?
GZ wasn’t stupid or reckless he had the courage of his convictions and yes now he is paying the price like many courageus men throughout history have done.
Within the black community there is a desire to end self-defense entirely because they are seeing more and more of their young thugs cut down by law-abiding citizens who are defending themselves. You’d think the response would be to teach their young men not to be thugs, but the sense of entitlement is so great that this isn’t happening.
Holder calls it a “Duty to retreat”.
I’m trying to find it in the constitution but so far no luck.
And the war on women continues.
If you are being raped, don’t fight, submit. If you are cornered and cannot run, just submit and enjoy it?
Freaking disgusting cowards. Oh, I might get hurt. To bad being in the military is no longer mandatory. These idjits need a spine infusion!
Gunner
“First of all, isn’t that ALREADY part of the law—to seek safety when possible?”
Not in Texas, at least as far as the “castle doctrine” statute reads: you have no duty to retreat - what part of “stand your ground” includes “give ground until you can’t anymore”? That’s the very reason these new, “you have a right to defend yourself” statutes were passed to begin with.
I’d like to make a few points that generally get lost in the shouting.
The “traditional” common law of England, transferred to the USA as the basis of our legal system in every state but LA, imposes a duty to retreat on those who claim self-defense. This, not illogically, grew up in the Middle Ages where most men went armed and the murder rate was MUCH higher than today. If two men got into a fight, and neither backed down and one died, the survivor could not claim self-defense as a justification. He would likely be convicted of something less than 1st degree, but he couldn’t just walk.
In something like 2/3 of US states, this common law principle has been modified with one or another variant of SYG.
Unfortunately, IMO, the determination whether a killing is justified and therefore no charges will be filed, which is the essence of SYG, is left up to cops and prosecutors. IOW, political officials. And the case remains open, subject to future politicians reaching a different decision about the case and deciding to prosecute.
I think we should update the law to incorporate something akin to the old common law coroner’s inquest for every killing. Then a legal decision can be reached that the killing was in self-defense, and future prosecution is barred. Unless, I assume, significant new evidence to the contrary turns up.
But the law does not say most of what its opponents say it does. There do appear, however, to have been some poorly decided cases in FL based on SYG.
Not the Zimmerman trial. It was well decided, and did not involve SYG anyway.
So, according to liberals, aggressors can force people to take action, thereby enslaving them to their demands. Anytime anyone else can force you to take actions through threats of violence you are a slave and a coward.
Seems the liberals are supporting the aggressors, the predators, the criminals, of society instead of supporting peaceful people and their right to self defense.
If aggressors do not want to be hurt or killed they simply should not assault other people.
We simply do not hang or put to death enough criminals.