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Vanity: Need Dog Vaccine Adverse Reaction Advice
None ^ | July 16, 2013 | cva66snipe

Posted on 07/16/2013 7:10:29 PM PDT by cva66snipe

We have a Toy Rat Terrier {from a Chihuahua mix} we think is having a delayed reaction to her annual vaccines. Last Tuesday she had her Rabies, Bordetella/Kennel Cough, DA2PP, vaccines. Yesterday evening she started breaking out in bumps on her skin as well as vomiting and bloody stool with diarrhea.

Normally I would assume it is a virus except for this part of her history last year. Last year she had the same shots and about a week later these same symptoms happened and had to be treated. The Vet at that time which was one open on a Saturday gave her antihistamine and Steroids. Today different Vet her regular Vet this time gave her Benedryl, Famotidine injection, and Metronidazole orally to take 14 days.

I believe this is being caused by one of the vaccines. The Vets both of them say a week is too long for that too happen. She's still not wanting to hold down food well but bladder and bowel function is there.

Has anyone experienced this before in this timeframe of delay? This is my wife's companion dog and acts also as my service dog for my hearing with hearing aids out. Thanks.


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To: cva66snipe

A quick read says rabies vac can indeed give reaction like this, and that small dogs in particular may be more likely to react. Also that combo shots are more dangerous for them.

If they don’t think it’s allergy why did they give you Benadryl? Just to be sure?


81 posted on 07/17/2013 7:01:25 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: cva66snipe

https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/RabiesLaws.pdf

Looks like it depends.


82 posted on 07/17/2013 7:08:01 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
A quick read says rabies vac can indeed give reaction like this, and that small dogs in particular may be more likely to react. Also that combo shots are more dangerous for them. If they don’t think it’s allergy why did they give you Benadryl? Just to be sure?

They gave it too her in a shot form in the Vets Office but I do keep it on hand myself for the dogs first aid in event of stings etc.

Benadryl is also good for other uses from controlling adverse reactions too allergies. So that part made perfect sense to me. I used to break out in Hives for no determined reason and a shot of Benadryl in the sitter was the usual Emergency Room Protocol. Thanks for the Rabies Info. I have a year now to do some serious digging.

83 posted on 07/17/2013 7:18:41 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/RabiesLaws.pdf

Once again.


84 posted on 07/17/2013 7:19:56 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: cva66snipe

Second the chicken and rice. Cottage cheese isn’t bad but try boiled chicken and rice first. Tiny pieces for you sensitive small dog.

Believe me, no one has had the variety of issues I’ve had with one single dog. She’s 11 now.


85 posted on 07/17/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
OK I'm in Tennessee and Rabies Vaccine depends on type used. Evidently they use a one year type likely I'm assuming due to City of Knoxville's own obscure laws although we live in a different county. I'm also assuming they have two different vaccines for Rabies to appease the differing state laws.
86 posted on 07/17/2013 7:25:23 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Salamander

Just talked to Vet again. Now they’re on board about shots. Her belly overnight had broken out just like last year. So I’ll be picking up Benadryl pills this afternoon about 10-12 MG 2 times a day.. It’s a relief just to get the cause pinned down.


87 posted on 07/17/2013 7:48:13 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Really hope everything works out.

I can take whatever life throws at me so long as my dogs are healthy....:)


88 posted on 07/17/2013 8:25:32 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: cva66snipe

Check out the info. on vaccines from holistic vet Karen Becker on her site: www.healthypets.mercola.com

Here is a search link for some of her articles on vaccinosis:

http://search.mercola.com/search/pages/Results.aspx?k=vaccine%20reactions&r=sitename=%22AR4BaHR0cDovL2hlYWx0aHlwZXRzLm1lcmNvbGEuY29tCHNpdGVuYW1lAQEiASI=%22

Bottom line: the head immunologist, Dr. Ron Schultz, advises that vaccines should NOT be given yearly, but titering should be done at intervals reflecting the current protocols (3 years for Rabies and for Distemper/Parvo). As the dog gets older (over 10 years old), those titers can be repeated more often (yearly) as dogs tend to lose some of their immunity as they age, just as humans do.

If a dog has a reaction (and no, a week is not “too long” for a reaction — not at all!!), do not vaccinate again. Use titers and if you absolutely MUST vaccinate for something be sure it is a single vaccine and not a “mombo combo”. Bordetella is pretty useless and shouldn’t be administered unless you have to do so for boarding purposes. It will not prevent kennel cough, but supposedly makes the case milder if caught. The problem is it has a low lasting immunity and must be administered about every 6 months....which is a lot for a vaccine. The purpose of the bordatella shot is for liability purposes for businesses and has nothing to do with the health of the pet. Most dogs can throw off a case of kennel cough fairly easily if their immune system is not compromised. Hope this helps!


89 posted on 07/18/2013 12:50:24 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: RegulatorCountry

We titer also, starting this year. No more vaccines for us! You are right, of course. Many long-term illnesses, chronic and some fatal, are linked to over vaccination, although most vets are still reluctant to make the connection.


90 posted on 07/18/2013 12:52:10 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: RegulatorCountry

The same vaccine is administered, according to Dr. Ron Schultz — whether labeled for one year or three. Pet parent “beware”.


91 posted on 07/18/2013 12:55:07 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: cva66snipe

So your Vet vaccinated a sick dog??? That’s a big “no no”. Labels and studies all point to the necessity of a non-compromised dog for vaccination to be given. The fact that the “reactions” are getting worse should be a HUGE red flag!! What happens when the Bendadryl doesn’t work and you lose your dog?? No way would I take that kind of chance. It’s not worth it, and as many have stated here, there are many other options.


92 posted on 07/18/2013 12:58:30 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: cva66snipe

Is your dog at “high risk” for getting rabies? Probably not. There are very few domestic animal rabies cases — or even wild animal rabies cases today in the U.S. Unless my dog ran wild I would titer for this one too. Yes, I know “it’s the law” blah blah blah, but unless you live in a nanny state where what you do or don’t do at the vet’s office is reported to the state, I wouldn’t give it a second thought. Titer to be sure she’s protected, but if she’s an inside dog and doesn’t come into contact with wildlife on her own where you can’t protect her, I wouldn’t take the risk.


93 posted on 07/18/2013 1:04:25 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: rintense

Loved reading your post! We are also “raw feeders” and have seen some “chronic” problems clear up because of the stronger immune systems our dogs now have. We also titer. Always great to meet another like-minded person on this issue!!


94 posted on 07/18/2013 1:07:06 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
So your Vet vaccinated a sick dog??? That’s a big “no no”.

I meant she was in trouble when he gave her the antibiotics and bendadyrl. She was fine a week before on the day of her shots. I took her to the Vet the day I posted for the reaction.

Well yesterday she ate like she was starving today she's turning her nose up at food. I wish he'd gave her some steroid.

95 posted on 07/18/2013 5:46:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I hope she’s better soon, but I would highly recommend getting a holistic/integrative vet on your team for cases like this. They will work with you on strengthening her immune system and on helping her body “right” itself without causing further harm with steroids, drugs, etc... Here is a great link for finding someone: www.ahvma.org

Please keep us posted on how she’s doing!


96 posted on 07/18/2013 6:24:24 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Thanks. She went out a little while ago and grazed on grass. When she came back in she ate. Her stomach acids were off a little I guess. I'll give her some unseasoned green beans tomorrow with her food. She loves them. The main thing now is getting the rash to go away. The Benadryl should do that. The only thing the steroids do is stop the rash sooner thus stopping the stomach issues. Plus it would stimulate appetite. I've had to take them myself for reactions. I get as hungry as horse when I have to take them.
97 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:31 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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Looks like she's recovered now. She's eating good again and the rash is just about gone. Thanks for the help.

She's a special little dog. We got her to keep my wife company and we needed a dog that was small enough to lay in her lap but could also make the jump from the floor up to her lap in the wheelchair. That's almost three feet. The Toy Ratty is able too. She's also highly protective and not scared of anything or anybody LOL. My wife trained her to also wake me up or come and get me when she needs me for something. I'm partially deaf and sleep with my hearing aids out. She wakes me up if someone is outside or my cell phone rings etc.

We also have a large Ratty we rescued. She's the CEO of our Two Terriers Home Security Service LOL. In the cooler months she also rides around with me on errands.

98 posted on 07/19/2013 7:10:01 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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