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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; betty boop

Even evolution itself defies the 2nd Law.

OF course evolution includes abiogenesis. That first living organism had to develop from something. It didn’t just pop into existence.

Somewhere, some time it had to cross that line between non-living and living matter. It’s all part of the same continuum of a process of increasing complexity.

To arbitrarily determine that *evolution* begins only once that increasing level of complexity arrives at a self-replicating stage and ignore the rest before that is intellectually dishonest.

And still, the continuation of that life process is unexplained. There is still the increasing level of complexity to be maintained in opposition to the 2nd Law.

What exactly, is it then which works in violation of the 2nd Law? What is the mechanism which overcomes it? What is the source of the work being done to accomplish that?


85 posted on 07/25/2013 12:24:15 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
That first living organism had to develop from something.

And when it did, it could start to evolve. Not before that.

To arbitrarily determine that *evolution* begins only once that increasing level of complexity arrives at a self-replicating stage and ignore the rest before that is intellectually dishonest.

Sez you.

There is still the increasing level of complexity to be maintained in opposition to the 2nd Law.

Come on, you've been around these threads long enough to know that doesn't hold water. The 2nd Law applies to closed systems, or whole systems. The Earth is not a closed system. Adult humans are more complex than the two cells they grow from. Trees are more complex than seeds. We see increasing levels of complexity happening around us every day.

Or, for that matter, your own field. If the Earth were an isolated system with increasing entropy, we wouldn't have weather. What is the source of the work being done to spin up a hurricane?

86 posted on 07/25/2013 1:31:32 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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