Posted on 07/11/2013 4:36:49 PM PDT by Kevmo
Synopsis of recent Finnish patent application
THERMAL-ENERGY PRODUCING SYSTEM AND METHOD
Patent to be issued to Etiam Oy. Inventor: Pekka Soininen
The invention proposes to produce thermal energy in a reaction chamber from “nanoscale particle accelerators” and a nano-powder catalyst material used for promoting the formation and storage of condensed Rydberg matter.
The particle accelerators are composed of a metal material (usually powdered Ni) capable of conducting electricity, absorbing hydrogen atoms in the interstitial spaces in the metal lattice forming a metal hydride, and a dielectric material (electric field creator usually in powdered form) capable of being polarized. The nanoparticles accelerators create, enhance and focus localized electric fields and thus accelerate hydrogen ions and electrons.
The catalytic nano-powders allow for the formation and storage of Rydberg matter and inverted Rydberg matter in the same reaction chamber where the nanoscale particle accelerators are producing high-energy electrons and protons. Quantum tunneling allows high-energy protons to overcome the Coulomb barrier, which then allows nuclear fusion to take place between the protons and lattice atoms. The Rydberg matter and inverted Rydberg matter formed by local low-level electric fields condense to form condensed Rydberg matter, which when exploded by high intensity electric fields provide additional protons that increase the probability that fusion with lattice atoms takes place with the release of additional energy.
It appears that the invention itself depends on the efficacy of the reactions posited above. There appear to be two kinds of processes at work. Each process appears to produce protons, which then produce excess heat by tunneling through the Coulomb barrier, each helping the other to make the tunneling process more efficient in producing heat energy. If the inventor has a working model and that model produces energy consistent with the nuclear reactions indicated in the patent, there may actually be some credence to the claims made. This approach to explaining LENR theory is new to me and may IMO have some merit.
The inventor explains in some detail realizations of the specific materials used in the reaction chamber. These materials may be similar to those used by Rossi and Defkalion.
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Arthur Robey July 10, 2013 at 9:55 AM - Reply
Please don’t tell the DOE about this. They will react very badly. It is a frontal assult on the Petro-dollar. Mind you, the Finns have a reputation as a plucky and resourceful people.
“Quantum tunneling allows high-energy protons to overcome the Coulomb barrier, which then allows nuclear fusion to take place between the protons and lattice atoms. ”
It looks to me as though we are dealing with many phenomena. Quantum tunneling, fractional orbits, fuzzy Plank numbers, Bose Einstein Condensates, phonon coupling and possibly some unknowns or combination of phenomena. What evidence do we have to assume that there is only one simple explanation? None, it is an assumption.
No-one said that it was going to be easy, and it isn’t. But it is a necessary but not sufficient requirement for our survival. [Translate] Greg Goble July 10, 2013 at 6:07 PM - Reply
U.S.A.
NASA has a patent for cold fusion. SPAWAR (U.S. Navy) has a patent for cold fusion.
Transmutation of elements does take place. Fusion.
Yet the DOE shows no links to these, keeping many in the dark.
The NASA Glenn Research site is out of date and has this (bit of stupidity) to say.
So what if the DOE is pissed off. The time is for them to answer to us.
NASA Glenn Research – What about Cold Fusion? http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warpfaq_prt.htm
First, this effect should NEVER have been dubbed “cold fusion.” It should have been called an “anomalous heat effect.” That means you don’t know what’s going on, but it involves heat. The part about “we don’t know what’s going on” is still very true.
Most evidence points to this being a dead end, but not all the evidence. If I recall correctly, about 30% or the replications for producing heat work, and 70% do not. The evidence also does not indicate that a normal nuclear reaction is occurring. Heat?- maybe, sometimes. Nuclear fusion as we know it?- no.
It is not being studied very seriously in the US, in fact it is generally frowned upon, but some countries like France and Japan are still looking into it.
If it is real and if it is useful, then someday, someone will make a practical and unambiguous device out of it.
Interesting but it is worth noting that no radiation levels or power densities are given. Ni has a relatively small macroscopic cross section of absorption and represent a low energy decrement per collision, so any neutron producing processes would easily be detected regardless of fast or thermal domains due to the anticipated high leakage rates for this set up. Furthermore, the modalities of mechanical excitation required produce quantifiable heat production simply require a particle and photon flux to easily be distinguishable from background levels, even if high levels of flux capture is possible. But alas, that was already dismissed by the earlier comment.
I’ll consider it noteworthy when I go down to Lowes and my choice for an energy generator is more than a Predator 4000 ... yes, when I see that E-CAT 4000 for $189.05, then I will be impressed, but until then I’ll rely on the Predator 4000 rather than pixie dust promises.
“Interesting but it is worth noting that no radiation levels or power densities are given.”
For those, you need to read the actual patent:
“.......the system generated at least 5 kW of thermal energy with less than 1 kW input power...”
I’m sure there is much other information in the patent, but I’ve just started getting into reading it.
So...are they on to something here or not? Quick read didn’t sound like LENR.
Their "explanation" about how their device works doesn't track very closely to what is considered the "mainstream view" of LENR theories (as much as such a view can be identified, there are so many), but the actuality of what they are doing very much does.
A nickel-hydrogen system with various additives that generates large amounts of "anomalous" heat ("...5KW out with less than 1 KW in....). And in fact they repeat Rossi's assertion that most of the energy comes off as low level gamma and x-rays that are converted to heat in the reactor structure/shielding.
Link is as worthless as this technology. Contains no information and links are woefully lacking.
And I see that you did not even attempt to address my issues or observations. This smells like a scam. Folks, if those pushing the technology cannot even discuss issues surrounding the science, then it is a scam. Period....
Let me see. A link to the full text of an issued international patent is worthless and contains no information? And this from a supposed high-level technical manager who "surely" deals regularly with such things.
You mean that disconnected and poorly written fragment of technical bafflegab at #3?? I assume you are trying to refer to the typical "hot physics" denial point...to wit...."...there is no neutron flux commensurate with the observed energy...thus it has to be a scam", while denying the experimental evidence showing that exactly that is what is happening.
Dude, there is no point in trying to discuss "issues surrounding the science" if you refuse to look at data previously provided, which you have done, without fail, on every LENR thread you've ever been on.
Oh, and I "did" address your point about power levels.
Yet there is NO EVIDENCE what so ever of neutron flux via detector as leakage that is surely to occur by the very reasons I presented. Yet, they make the claim that neutrons are being produced.... It is a VERY EASY thing to do.... IF you want to discuss merits, then address the issues. If not, take your pseudo-science crap to another forum. I hear the AGW movement is needing more cheerleaders. This is a scam being perpetrated by “scientific” heretics and I will continue to challenge your absolute silliness with this topic. BTW, your link amounted to NOTHING but an abstract. You have claimed knowledge of Navy programs and insinuate activity from PEOPLE THAT I ACTUALLY KNOW and they scoff at your claims. So go ahead and continue to bully folks on this forum, you only undermine your own silly perspective. Cheers!
In the meantime, hot fusioneers spend hundreds of $billions for the promise that 50 years from now, you might be able to get a fusion plant in your state. All the while, this backwater technology inches towards your $189 threshold. It’s simply raising the bar for cold fusion while lowering it for hot fusion. By doing so, you advocate hundreds of $billions of waste of taxpayer money.
That is the modern trick for getting a LENR patent. Never mention LENR, cold fusion, and some other items that flag the patent examiners.
Folks, if those pushing the technology cannot even discuss issues surrounding the science, then it is a scam. Period....
***Logical fallacy: False dilemma.
It is your claim that it is a scam, so prove it. How is it that the F-P Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times? Are all those scientists in on the scam? If you can’t even discuss these issues surrounding the science, then by your own reasoning, you are the scammer.
leakage that is surely to occur by the very reasons I presented.
***Experiment trumps theory ~Richard Feynman
You have claimed knowledge of Navy programs and insinuate activity from PEOPLE THAT I ACTUALLY KNOW and they scoff at your claims.
***That doesn’t appear to be the case on this thread, so where did it take place? Just because people you know scoff at some claim doesn’t mean diddlysquat about the validity of the claim. Some people I know scoff at YOUR claims. See how foolish such reasoning is?
Your lack of answer is note worthy. Easily demonstrable neutron detector...still waiting. Claim to be producing neutrons in material that does not readily attenuate or absorb neutron of any energy, yet no discussion of radiation levels. You don’t see anything particularly worrisome about that? “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” Keep trying.
CR-39 ‘triple tracks’ give you the evidence you seek.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2212864/posts
Your lack of answer is note worthy.
Replicated 14,700 times. From you: No Answer, but you post up on my reply at post 17 that is somehow a lack of answer? You know the stuff that comes out of the back end of a bull? Exactly.
What is it you say? “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”.
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