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1 posted on 07/04/2013 12:55:38 PM PDT by Osage Orange
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To: Osage Orange

Are you saying that nothing has changes in 161 years?


2 posted on 07/04/2013 1:00:03 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Osage Orange

I can easily imagine Alan Keyes delivering this speech.


4 posted on 07/04/2013 1:01:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.

Generally agree with him, but it would not have been difficult to find a country with more revolting barbarity at the time.

Shameless hypocrisy, he had a point. :)

6 posted on 07/04/2013 1:08:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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In light of his well-reasoned and eloquent oratory, would today’s Black “leaders” accuse Frederick Douglass of acting White?


10 posted on 07/04/2013 1:35:29 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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Hypocrisy requires that a person must profess a position one way while secretly holding a contrary position. In American history from the founding of the nation until the 1960’s very very few thought blacks were equal to whites. Therefore, how could people in those times be hypocrites on the issue of race? The people of those times fully expressed in word and deed that the black was not the equal of the white. It is only under the current egalitarian prejudice that hypocrisy would be a valid accusation on this issue.


13 posted on 07/04/2013 1:43:35 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Osage Orange

Hypocrisy requires that a person must profess a position one way while secretly holding a contrary position. In American history from the founding of the nation until the 1960’s very very few thought blacks were equal to whites. Therefore, how could people in those times be hypocrites on the issue of race? The people of those times fully expressed in word and deed that the black was not the equal of the white. It is only under the current egalitarian prejudice that hypocrisy would be a valid accusation on this issue.


14 posted on 07/04/2013 1:47:52 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Osage Orange

Frederick and Abraham Lincoln met at the White House. They personally liked each other. Frederick considered himself a Republican as did most slaves. He also spoke at Hillsdale College during its first decade as an institution.


16 posted on 07/04/2013 2:06:10 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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> "...for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America [1852] reigns without a rival." [Frederick Douglass]

There were plenty of barbarous places at that time (including in Africa), and members of in-groups who exploited members of out-groups -- while celebrating their own freedom or power (as had been the case throughout history).

I read Frederick Douglass's autobiography decades ago, and found some interesting things in it, but that passage and the speech in general are rhetorical excess. Freedom is not an either-or thing. It's a matter of degree. The Fourth of July represented a great step forward in its pursuit -- admittedly, for only part of the population -- and a statement of ideals that could only be approached over time.

I can understand the bitterness felt by slaves and former slaves at the thought of slaveholders celebrating freedom while so many persons were held in captivity. I agree that slavery deserved to be denounced. The ideals of the Declaration of Independence, though, were not empty words. Those ideals helped lead to the freedom of those who were still slaves. I would contend that the descendents of those American slaves are now freer and better off in general than most of the blacks in Africa (or in Haiti, where in Douglass's time they were already supposedly "free" -- from white slaveholders, anyway. Freedom isn't an either/or thing.)

27 posted on 07/04/2013 6:44:14 PM PDT by GJones2 (Declaration of Independence, slavery, and hypocrisy)
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