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Carteret deputy tases tied dog
Independent Register ^ | June 21, 2013 | William Toler

Posted on 06/21/2013 7:03:06 PM PDT by Altariel

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To: the OlLine Rebel

We agree on this.


61 posted on 06/21/2013 8:29:06 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: doc1019

Wrong. Read the post again.


62 posted on 06/21/2013 8:29:42 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

“Rare”?

We both know the truth of that.

I have the unenviable position of having tried to nail an abusive/illegally acting cop.

They will enfold and protect their own like a bear with cubs.

Virtually no one will receive anything resembling “justice” once their rights have been violated.

I wish the dog’s owner luck...she’s gonna need a lot of it.


63 posted on 06/21/2013 8:29:44 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Innovative
"I guess what wasn’t clear was whether the back yard was fully enclosed or not. If it wasn’t, she did what I consider reasonable, leave the dog on a long enough tether to be able to move around, but not get off the back yard. One should be able to be safe in one’s own backyard, whether you are a person or a dog."

Then we'll just have to disagree about what is reasonable. If there's nobody home, I don't consider that reasonable. Both as a military police officer, and as a volunteer at an animal shelter, I've seen too many dogs tied up and left in a yard who either wrap the tether around a tree or get it tangled on something and can't get to their water on a hot day, kick their waterbowl over and spend the day without, hang themselves over a low fence, get mauled by a stray dog or pack thereof, get abused by passers by (with or without badges), or eventually contract heartworms from being a veritable cafeteria for mosquitoes. etc.

If you have to leave your dog tied up outside while you go to work all day, you either don't have enough respect for the animal, have too big a dog for your residence, or haven't invested the time and discipline in training the animal that a responsible pet owner should. A fenced outdoor run with shelter and water is entirely different, ut tying or chaining them to a tree, a post, an anchor, etc. and leaving for the day is simply irresponsible.

64 posted on 06/21/2013 8:30:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The IRS/NSA probably heard the dog “barking in code” late one night and painted him a target.


65 posted on 06/21/2013 8:31:39 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: KittenClaws

Of course it doesn’t justify those disgusting actions, and that’s not what the comment meant. It meant that it is inadvisable to leave your dog tied up outside while you’re away, because anything can happen to him. As in something bad.


66 posted on 06/21/2013 8:34:48 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Altariel

Yup.

I wouldn’t waste a dime on the best e-fence ever made.

I like good strong wire and tall sturdy wood...with locked gates.

[having to defeat the locks gives me plenty of time to chamber a round and get the dogs behind me]


67 posted on 06/21/2013 8:35:12 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Salamander
OK, forget the invisible fence. My daughter has two medium-large dogs who can exit the house via a doggy door into a spacious and secure backyard and return to the house when they choose. This may be an unattainable ideal for some, especially those who want their dogs outside all the time. I still think it inadvisable to tether a dog in the yard.
68 posted on 06/21/2013 8:36:25 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: doc1019

She has -never- said any such ridiculous thing.

Either be serious or burn your straw man.

Nobody likes ludicrous hyperbole.


69 posted on 06/21/2013 8:37:01 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Altariel
"They" might not, but it has been interesting in my few eight years on FR to watch the procession of badgelickers that do defend this behavior. Some of the worst that I remember screen names for are still around but have stopped defending the indefensible. They also do not post so much now.

There seems to be a new crop now to take up the torch nightstick.

70 posted on 06/21/2013 8:39:19 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: luvbach1

“who want their dogs outside all the time.”

Dogs are not made to be outside all the time.

If a person can’t bother to take care of it like it deserves, they shouldn’t have it.

I don’t tie my dogs up.

When I was young, my dad made a ‘trolley line’ in the back yard for my dog to enjoy while I was in school on nice weather days.

However, he was a hundred pound Dobe.

Nobody/nothing ever ‘bothered’ him...more than once.

When I lived under parental rules, I couldn’t have all my dogs inside 24/7.

I left home as soon as I was 18.

My dogs have all been sofa hounds ever since then.


71 posted on 06/21/2013 8:43:13 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: kabumpo

I agree. I am not an advocate of tying up a dog.

I can’t remember the exact words, but I read once that a tied dog just wishes for freedom, and will run at the opportunity, but a free dog just wishes to be home.


72 posted on 06/21/2013 8:43:32 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Salamander
I think the dogs should choose their intimidation tactic beforehand:

The classic:

But perhaps you prefer something more utilitarian:


73 posted on 06/21/2013 8:46:06 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: doc1019

One or two? Really? Where the heck have you been?This crap goes on all the time and its not the same one or two officers.The cops do themselves no favors doing stupid shit like this.


74 posted on 06/21/2013 8:46:28 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Lots of people tie out or kennel dogs when they can’t personally supervise them, are at work or whatever- it is a responsible thing to do so the dog doesn’t get in trouble; which normally works fine. Of course some people kennel or tie and neglect a dog but there is always a certain number of irresponsible people, those kind of people would neglect dogs no matter how they kept them.

We don’t know what kind of pet owner this lady is but I don’t agree that tying one out or kenneling one is a bad thing- depends on how it is done. I imagine if the dog had the run of the entire back yard the officer would likely have shot it so don’t see how her tying her dog up was part of this at all.


75 posted on 06/21/2013 8:46:50 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Altariel; Salamander
Of course, there's also the old standby. "Me, a threat? Why, officer, I've been getting my nails done."


76 posted on 06/21/2013 8:48:23 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: KittenClaws

Tied up dogs become aggressive because of being paradoxically terrified all the time.

They’re not stupid; they *know* they’re helpless targets for any manner of threat to their life.

They know they’re trapped.

All animals operate on ‘flight or fight’.

When you remove the “flight” choice with chain, only “fight” is left...so they do.


77 posted on 06/21/2013 8:49:43 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Kirkwood

That has happened. Polly Klass, that Jaygard girl.


78 posted on 06/21/2013 8:49:45 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Salamander
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem.

I said, and I quote:

Would be like condemning the entire military for the acts of a few idiots.

Notice I used the word like as in comparison, never said Altariel ever made that statement.

79 posted on 06/21/2013 8:50:04 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: doc1019

“To condemn an entire group of people for the acts of a few is just beyond comprehension.

I guess somewhere in your past a cop pissed in you cereal and thus the vendetta.”

Go back and reread what I wrote.

When you are interested in responding in an intellectually honest manner befitting a conservative and a Freeper, perhaps you will reply once more.


80 posted on 06/21/2013 8:50:26 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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