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To: Albion Wilde

“But for what it’s worth, here it is again: both parties are responsible for pleasing each other”

I’m not talking about pleasure. I’m talking about sex.

Do you believe that one of the duties that a wife has to her husband is to have sex with him on a regular basis. Pleasure’s a bit of a weasal word. So let’s cut right to the chase.

Insofar there is disagreement on this point - then we aren’t working from the same presuppositions. It makes further agreement unlikely. If you don’t believe that regular sex is a duty of a wife, then of course, you’ll agree that the husband should be ok with the wife declining sex - “whenever she feels like”.

The bible is very clear on this. Any period without sex should be, limited, and with mutual consent, ie, that the husband must agree to it. The wife unilaterally deciding isn’t sufficient cause.

Now I am not saying that a husband should force himself on his wife, but I am saying that the wife should see it as part of her responsibility to her husband. It’s no different then if the husband were to turn around and say, “I don’t want to work today”. Well, tough.

Sometimes you do your job because that is your job, and sometimes when you are not at your best. Sex is the same way. Sure, maybe you’re not in the mood, but is that sufficient cause to say no? I would say no.

Unless there is a cause, ie, sickness or something, I would argue (and this works both ways). A husband has a duty to his wife. He can’t be at work 24/7 and leaving her with nothing. There has to be a balance here.

This is why I’m getting at the root here. Is the problem the addiction to porn, or is the problem that the husband is not getting what he needs from his wife? I don’t know what’s true in this case. There is insufficient information to make this determination.

“you can find some other articles or links”

Which, I suppose, contain the same ‘advice’ to ‘seek’ a ‘focus group’, so I guess that the poorly treated wife can get started on husband number 2. Someone who understands her. ;)

“But addiction digs very deep: to expect a single blog post or article to clear up all the tangled web of Satan’s tentacles extended through porn may be unrealistic.”

I thought the advice was particularly bad and warranted further discussion of other possibilities not considered.

“Facing the problem and healing the problem are his responsibility.”

No, it’s not, and I confront this. This is a marriage problem. It is not just his responsibility. It is a responsibility of husband and wife together to tackle this problem.

Would you say that Alcohol was solely the problem of the wife and she had to get well (without the support of her husband?), of course not. You’d be telling the husband that he has to do his best to support her through the addiction. Why?

Because the addiction is not the person. Same here. There is a separation between the identity of the person and the addiction.

“it needs to be confronted as an addiction or an idolatry, and treated aggressively.”

Agreed. I disagree with the bad advice presented by this article.


134 posted on 06/26/2013 2:02:53 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I disagree with the bad advice presented by this article.

Perhaps you are right and the advice you gleaned from the article isn't the best advice...for you or those you know. I doubt it caused harm to you or any FReeper, though.

Whether good advice or bad advice, I wanted to post the item and did, as a small effort to be of assistance to the one or two regular FReepers who would welcome any help at all.
135 posted on 06/26/2013 2:33:03 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: JCBreckenridge

OK, have it your way. Gettin’ much?


136 posted on 06/26/2013 2:37:33 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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