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To: newheart
Orwell is beyond the grasp of a lot of folk, too many of whom populate this forum quite innocently defending Big Brother as a necessary evil.

In the Republic imagined by Our Founders, the Constitution gave a solid enduring foundation to the rule of law.

In other words the law was not a matter of what was momentarily fashionable.

In any police state, law is quite relative and a matter to what is fashionable.

You correct, I have nothing to hide as I am not presently doing anything illegal other than never wearing my seat belt and speeding.

Problem is the law is being mass manufactured by a bunch of stooges in the legislative branch who have admitted they rarely read the laws that they do pass, and it is revealed time and again they rarely bother to abide by many of the laws that they do pass.

There are so many stupid laws being passed today that much of what I did five years ago will be illegal in another five years.

Still this is not really a problem for me as I am an old man who will never be in the cross hairs of Barry or whoever may be serving as janitor and front man for the police state.

But young people are having information collected today that may not be of present illegal behavior but well may be in another ten years.

What if that young person may decide to run for office later on.

Those who run for public office must account for whatever they have done that was recorded on the public record. But should they have to account for what was recorded a decade ago on the Big Brother's private record?

Just because no abuses of average citizens private information have not occurred, does not mean it won't.

You cannot allow the Fourth Amendment to shredded without understanding the consequences may not be immediate but those consequences over time will be devastating.

100 posted on 06/16/2013 2:54:43 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: metafugitive
Orwell is beyond the grasp of a lot of folk, too many of whom populate this forum quite innocently defending Big Brother as a necessary evil. In the Republic imagined by Our Founders, the Constitution gave a solid enduring foundation to the rule of law.

Very true, but I think we have moved beyond Orwell.

Jacques Ellul argued in a book called The Political Illusion, that governments suffer from the same flaws that any organization does. Every bureaucracy faces a moment that might be considered a quantum moment (my words not his), when the ideals it was founded upon begin to take second place to the principle of survival. At that point—and I have no idea when it occurred, but it was long before Obama—all those wonderful truths in the Constitution became essentially irrelevant, window dressing that can be paraded when it is convenient, ignored most of the time, and fought against when the population starts to get angry. All governments evolve toward totalitarian states because of the need to control.

104 posted on 06/16/2013 3:06:23 PM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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