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To: 0.E.O

“The Union didn’t fortify the entry to Savannah or New Orleans or Mobile or any of the really important Southern ports. And it didn’t interfere with traffic in and out of Pensacola and Charleston.”

They did not have time, SC was the first to say bye bye.

“If I ordered you to leave your property would you do it?”
If I was there illegally I would! OK, not being silly, suppose the state took this matter to court i.e. could a state seceed. What court would have jurisdiction? I don’t believe there was a world court at that time, perhaps a world court of public opinion which in fact the state appealed to for their establishing their own nation state. The supreme court? Well, that would be a court aligned with the nation they wanted to leave, no? Another point, am I responsible for my parents’ contracts. Of course not, so why can a state not leave of its own volition?

Anyway, they tried and got no where except more federal troops and supplies. I wish that had been resolved by legal means, not by battle which solves nothing, but letting the winner dictate terms and write the history.


54 posted on 06/11/2013 12:18:04 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton
Anyway, they tried and got no where except more federal troops and supplies. I wish that had been resolved by legal means, not by battle which solves nothing, but letting the winner dictate terms and write the history.

Lost Causers often try to assert a comparison between the patriots of our Revolutionary War and the slavers of the Civil War. There's not much to compare. The colonists tried for years to gain the right to sit at the table in Parliament. The south didn't ever try - they just did what they wanted and hang the cost. Winners always dictate the terms but, unlike so very many wars before it, the south wasn't prevented from noting it's own history - or mythology.

55 posted on 06/11/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Mouton

People in SC paid taxes, a lot of taxes, that pile of rubble in the middle of the Cooper River was paid for 10x over when the Feds were given the boot.


59 posted on 06/11/2013 1:11:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mouton
They did not have time, SC was the first to say bye bye.

I'm not sure what your point is. None of the other Southern ports were fortified by any troops that hadn't been there when their state left.

What court would have jurisdiction?

Supreme Court. Article III, Section 2.

Well, that would be a court aligned with the nation they wanted to leave, no?

But their only recourse while a part of the U.S.

...so why can a state not leave of its own volition?

Madison said that the logical conclusion of the claim that a state could leave without the consent of the other states is that the other states could expel a state without its consent. Would you agree with that?

Anyway, they tried and got no where except more federal troops and supplies.

Didn't try very hard.

60 posted on 06/11/2013 1:13:11 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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