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To: newheart
But to say that it is declining morality, that really is a bit of a reach.

The trend toward excessively casual clothing does reflect a declining morality because so often "casual" equals "deliberately revealing." When women are bouncing around with no bras, nipples sticking up, when skirts are so short that a crotch shot is likely, when shorts are so short that the lower half of one's butt hangs down, when men wear bike shorts so tight that one can see their religion, this is not just casual, relaxed clothing; this is a deliberate effort to display one's sexual equipment. And that is definitely due to a declining morality. It's hard to argue that a woman who is walking around on the street or in church with her breasts falling out of an insubstantial top or a man with his shirt off inappropriately is being moral in that environment.

58 posted on 06/06/2013 10:25:28 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare
It's hard to argue that a woman who is walking around on the street or in church with her breasts falling out of an insubstantial top or a man with his shirt off inappropriately is being moral in that environment.

Believe it or not, I agree. Those behaviors are at least reflective of bad taste and bad manners, manners being akin to appropriateness in a given environment (though the argument for that involves a fair degree of relativism). My argument is not that sexually provocative dress is not immoral, but that the increased trend toward casual dress is a matter of morality.

62 posted on 06/06/2013 10:54:04 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: ottbmare
The trend toward excessively casual clothing does reflect a declining morality because so often "casual" equals "deliberately revealing." When women are bouncing around with no bras, nipples sticking up, when skirts are so short that a crotch shot is likely, when shorts are so short that the lower half of one's butt hangs down, when men wear bike shorts so tight that one can see their religion, this is not just casual, relaxed clothing; this is a deliberate effort to display one's sexual equipment. And that is definitely due to a declining morality. It's hard to argue that a woman who is walking around on the street or in church with her breasts falling out of an insubstantial top or a man with his shirt off inappropriately is being moral in that environment.

I was going to post something along these lines, but you said it so well. The relaxed clothing is really an expression of relaxed morals and lack of consideration for other people. "Constraint" in clothing and "appropriateness" in clothing (context and purpose are important) translate into the same attitudes in treating other people. I've nothing against beachwear or gym wear, as long as it's on the beach or in the gym.

84 posted on 06/06/2013 9:43:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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