It is very, very strange, you will research Kolmorgorov complexity, look up various folks' views on the relationship of mathematics and science, but won't read a commentary on the Scriptures unless you are assured in advance that it fits your pre-conceived notion of how they are to be interpreted. Why? What are you afraid of? That you might realize Christ's promise that the Spirit would lead His followers into all truth applied to the Fathers of the Church, and they got the interpretation right on some point, while you had heretofore gotten it wrong on that point?
Here is a little extract from page 19 of Kalomiros's essay:
All of creation fell into corruptibility and death in the person of one man, the first Adam. The same creation in its entirety rose up to eternal life and incorruptibility in the person of the second Adam, Christ.I am curious, though in talking about death and days. How do you read the divine commandment Adam and Eve transgressed, "In the day you eat of it you will surely die," in light of the fact that after breaking the commandment Adam lived some portion of the 130 years before the birth of Seth and another 800 years after that?
Which word or words are meant in some non-obvious non-literal sense here: day? die? years? If "day", why is "day" to be taken literally earlier? If "die", why the fascination with whether death (of say grasshoppers and mice) existed before Adam's transgression? If "years", again, if one time-span can be meant non-literally, why are the "days" of creation literal? None of this poses a problem for the way Fathers of the Church (and in these latter days Kalomiros) approach the account, but it certainly seems to pose a challenge to your favored hermeneutic method.
And now, I am curious: do you believe the Eucharist to be in truth the Body and Blood of Christ? If so, why the "wow" at the accusation that Luther was a heretic? if not, why is "this is my body" and "this is my blood" not to be read literally, while "there was evening and there was morning [fill in "one" or an ordinal from second to sixth here] day" to be taken literally?
[[I am curious, though in talking about death and days. How do you read the divine commandment Adam and Eve transgressed, “In the day you eat of it you will surely die,”]]
Don’t know why I’m answerign anythign for you as you refuse to answer my quesitons- but is that word day followed by a list? No? Then IN THAT CONTEXT Day can mean a period of time- it was all explaiend i nthel ink I gave previously
[[but won’t read a commentary on the Scriptures unless you are assured in advance that it fits your pre-conceived notion of how they are to be interpreted]]
I’ll read anythign worth reading- Yuo havenm’t convinced me that it’s even worth reading- It is contrary to God’s word- it ignores basic questions which are devestatign to the concept,
[[What are you afraid of?]]
Nothing- just awaiting your answerr to the questiosn I asked-
[[why the fascination with whether death (of say grasshoppers and mice) existed before Adam’s transgression]]
It was explained in thel ink I gave- and in my last post and in my post to metmom
[[why are the “days” of creation literal? ]]
Why do you keep askign questions I’ve already answered?
[[None of this poses a problem for the way Fathers of the Church (and in these latter days Kalomiros) approach the account, ]]
It absoltuely DOES pose a problem- the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that fact doesn’t make it any less a fact- it poses a seriosu problem- and again- I’m not really interested in reading somethign that ignores such serious problems and pretends they don’t present a problem for the idfeology beign presented-
[[And now, I am curious: do you believe the Eucharist to be in truth the Body and Blood of Christ?]]
I’m not catholic- so not sure what your catholic terminology means. you keep askign questions but igfnoring a coupel of simpel questions I’ve put to you-
[[if not, why is “this is my body” and “this is my blood” not to be read literally, while “there was evening and there was morning [fill in “one” or an ordinal from second to sixth here] day” to be taken literally?]]
It was already explained why the Hebrews meant it as literal when speakign of the creation week and cocnenring literal days- Are you not even rading my posts? If you don’t care to read my psots- then at least study Hebrew extensively enouygh to understand WHY it must be read as literal 24 hour days- You appealed to the Hebrew several posts ago (apparently unaware that the Hebrew didn’t infact support your claim)- and now you are ignoring the Hebrew when it doesn’t back up your claim-
Address my questions, then address the Hebrew explanations I’ve psoted several tiems now, and we can continue discussing htis if you like- but if You’re simply goign to keep assertign soemthign without providing ANY evidence to back it up other than ‘Certain church leaders said so’ and if you’re goign to insist God’s word isn’t His actual word to man through man inspired by God’s Holy spirit- then really I’m not itnerested in continuing hte discussion because what you’re claiming isn’t biblical— nor does science support species KINDS livign for billiosn of years and not dying whiel awaiting the evoltuion of man so man coudl fall and species KINDS coudkl finally begin dying-