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To: Lazamataz

[[I really wish critics of neo-Darwinism would stop getting complexity theory wrong: irreducibly complex, a technical term form Kolmogorov’s algorithmic complexity theory, turns out to mean absolutely random — a structure is irreducibly complex exactly when its description cannot be given using less data than completely setting out the structure element-by-element — and this turns out to be equivalent to random. (Any non-random sequence can be specified by an algorithm of finite length, while a random sequence might as well be just read out in its entirety, as it remains infinite even after any conceivable form of data compression.) The application of algorithmic complexity theory to evolutionary genetics (and I mean that in the narrow, uncontroversial sense of the study of the change in allele frequency over time, not the controversial materialist sense that the neo-Darwinist theory explaining the change of allele frequency over time provides a complete explanation for biological diversity and all properties of living organisms) is a good idea, but you have to get algorithmic complexity theory right to apply it. Personally I hold the view that neo-Darwinism implies intelligent design (look up the definition of intelligent agent used in modern AI work, and consider the properties the neo-Darwinian synthesis attributes to the biosphere as a whole to see why).]]

That’s just a fancy way of saying “Nuh Uh- God isn’t needed for irreducible complexity to occure- Nature, if given enough time and enough impoosible leeway, could overcome insurmountable odds, beath impoissible odds, and end up in the state it is foudn today in each species-

[[irreducibly complex, a technical term form Kolmogorov’s algorithmic complexity theory, turns out to mean absolutely random]]

Except that, as we know, soemthign that complex that relies on a random assembly, and relies on ALL the irreducibly complex parts beign inpalce before assembly (which by the way is contrary to natural selection law), is mathematically impossible to aachieve- (of course darwinists and neodarwinists reject mathematical impossibilites and wave their hand at hte fact that trillions of mathematically impossible events owuld have had to occure i nthe evoltuioonary process i nroder for thwe vast variety of life and irreducible complexites to be evolved that we see today)

He’s tryign to link Irreducible complextiy with complexity- the two are not the same- a system can be compelx without being irreducibly complex- but an inrreducibly complex system needs all it’s irreducible parts inpalce and ready to assemble (which again is contrary to natural selection law) before it can thrive once assembled- without ALL the irreducibly compelx parts inplace, the system will fail- hence why htey call it irreducibly complex- for to reduce one component of the whoel woudl be to cause it’s demise-

Basically the neodarwniist eleives that nature, through random processes, is capable of creatign intelligently designed irreducibly complex structures/life-

but as we saw with Dawkins silly explanation for how blood clotting ‘coudl have arisen naturally through random processes’ we saw that his explanation was anythign but random, that it was intellgiently cotnrolled set of circumstances, and it was supernaturally manipulated i norder to coem up with his ‘naturally occuring’ process


19 posted on 06/06/2013 9:46:03 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

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I am glad you are not taking MY words apart.....


23 posted on 06/06/2013 10:20:49 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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