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My Apology to Mormon Readers
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| 6-5-2013
| Mike Adams
Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969
Dear Stacey:
You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.
I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.
I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.
I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.
I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.
I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.
I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.
I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.
I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the brides place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.
I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helens father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.
I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his temporary marriage to Helen.
I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.
I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord. (Jacob 2:24).
I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.
I am sorry that Smiths polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.
I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.
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To: Elsie
I have to do something and I can’t in good conscience not tell them about “the most correct book on earth” has been changed.
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posted on
06/07/2013 11:53:00 AM PDT
by
ForAmerica
(Texas Conservative Christian Black Man!)
To: ForAmerica
Just seems pointless now that one of them isn’t a candidate for POTUS
You seem to have a problem with their wacky beliefs, that’s fine.
Doesn’t seem like it accomplishes anything except make the site look bigoted against Mormons.
Maybe not your posts, but other posts on this thread certainly could be considered Mormon bashing
Ping me to any anti Jew or Black threads you come across
102
posted on
06/07/2013 3:48:43 PM PDT
by
Rome2000
(THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
To: ladyL
How can Jesus be fully God and fully man? It’s impossible.
How can God die on a cross? How could He have been born in the first place? Also,isn’t the Holy Spirit supposed to be God as well? If so that means God impregnated Mary with Himself. Who was Jesus praying to? Himself? Didn’t Jesus tell others to pray to God and that only God is good? He also said that the Father is the only one who knows when the world is coming to the end.
I’m sorry but this is something that I cannot wrap my mind around because it is impossible. It is also blasphemous to say a human being can be God when God Himself made it abundantly clear that He is not a man,that He has no human form and that he will not change His mind.
To: ladyL
Exactly. God is one and completely indivisible. So how can He be three in one?
To: cuban leaf
I told him that I believe that both JWs and Mormonism take Christianity, jack it up, remove the foundation and replace it with a thin sheet of styrofoam. It looks Christian until you actually look closely.
Excellent!
105
posted on
07/06/2013 8:22:50 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
To: teppe
through ample personal experiences, Jesus Christ has shown me that he does not share your opinion.
THE TESTIMONY
The "testimony" is a Mormon's greatest asset. They are taught to look one straight in the eye without wavering, and declare with Conviction: "I know by the power of the Holy Ghost that Joseph Smith is a prophet; that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is true; the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church upon the face of the earth, and President Gordon B. Hinkley is a prophet, seer and revelator" . . . all in one breath.(3)
One should never underestimate the power of a verbalized testimony. Mormons use it in two situations--the first, as a rite of passage.
Members are expected to stand up in "testimony meeting" and declare they know their beliefs are true. Using the phrase, "I know" is supposed to be the sign the Holy Ghost has given them this special revelation.
The second, witnessing. When Mormons are backed into a corner by those well versed in the Bible, they are taught that their testimony is the only weapon Christians and others are helpless to fight against. Why? Experience has taught them that Christians are at a loss when confronted with it, and do not have a comparable one to declare back.
THE CHRISTIAN TESTIMONY
So, how can Christians neutralize the Mormon's personal testimony? Simply by doing the same.
It can be a statement about any principle of the Gospel. Christians can declare with conviction that they know Jesus is the Savior of the world; tell specific instances when God answered their prayers;(4) testify that they know, not only by the inner witness of the Holy Ghost, but by the testimony of God's Word, that He lives; and that Jesus has changed their life. It is a great tool. It not only influences potential converts to Christ, but will also disarm Mormon missionaries.(5)
Here is a sample Christian testimony, especially worded to be comparable to the Mormon's:
"I KNOW, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Jesus is the Christ and Savior of the world. That He died for my sins and was resurrected. I KNOW that I am saved by grace and not by works, and will inherit heaven upon that principle. I also KNOW that God hears and answers prayer. I KNOW all this not only by the feeling I have from the inner witness of the Holy Ghost,* but by the reliability of God's Word, the Bible, which declares it to be so. And, I also KNOW that because of my relationship with Christ, Jesus has changed my life and continues to bless me!"
106
posted on
07/06/2013 8:28:21 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
To: IronJack
I have an idea: why dont we believe what we want to believe and let God decide whos right?Why don't you suggest this to the mormon church who will have 85,000 missionaries spreading around the world 24/7, telling Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is through arcane rituals in mormon temples?
More than 29,000 church members are expected to report in coming months, bringing the worldwide total of missionaries proselytizing and performing community service to an all-time high of 85,000 by this fall, new church estimates show.
Mormon missionaries at record high
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posted on
07/06/2013 8:38:04 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
To: greyfoxx39
I'm not sure how that contradicts my position. Those missionaries are telling a story. Nobody is forced to believe that story or adhere to its teachings.
As I say, believe what you want to believe. God knows His own.
108
posted on
07/06/2013 9:43:36 AM PDT
by
IronJack
(=)
To: IronJack
You posted: "I have an idea: why dont we believe what we want to believe and let God decide whos right?"...and it appears to be chastising those who are posting on this thread...my reply is that 85,000 mormon missionaries are certainly not leaving it up to God to decide who's right. Their aim is to encourage folks to substitute mormonism's tenets for the belief held by Christians.
We will happily see God decide the "rightness" of mormonism, but the onslaught of missionaries certainly shows that mormon leaders aren't "leaving it up to God."rightness
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posted on
07/06/2013 10:05:43 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
To: greyfoxx39
Their aim is to encourage folks to substitute mormonism's tenets for the belief held by Christians. Note the emphasis. No one is MAKING these "folks" believe Mormonism any more than they're MAKING them believe Christianity. The missionaries are offering them a story -- the Mormon story -- and God has given them free will to decide if they'll believe it or not. My advice is for us to do the same.
110
posted on
07/06/2013 3:25:01 PM PDT
by
IronJack
(=)
To: IronJack; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
God has given them free will to decide if they'll believe it or not. My advice is for us to do the same.....MY advice is for those FReepers who would not allow those of us to post OUR messages in the way of mormon TRUTHS on FR in response to the lying mormon missionary messages by the 89,000...is to take their OWN advice.
111
posted on
07/06/2013 4:06:43 PM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
To: IronJack
I wonder, Jack, if the Mormonism missionaries are to be free to assert things regarding Christianity (like, it has been in total apostasy until Joseph Smith came along), are we in opposition not to be free to expose the blasphemies and heresies in Mormonism?
112
posted on
07/06/2013 4:16:20 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Being deceived can be cured.)
To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
"How can Jesus be fully God and fully man? Its impossible. How can God die on a cross? How could He have been born in the first place? Also,isnt the Holy Spirit supposed to be God as well? If so that means God impregnated Mary with Himself. Who was Jesus praying to? Himself? Didnt Jesus tell others to pray to God and that only God is good? He also said that the Father is the only one who knows when the world is coming to the end. Im sorry but this is something that I cannot wrap my mind around
because it is impossible."
Amen. Impossible for men. God would not break a sweat performing any miracle.
You've revealed the limits of human understanding and the amazing power of God - all in one post. Thank you.
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posted on
07/06/2013 4:20:41 PM PDT
by
aMorePerfectUnion
( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
To: Rome2000
“Now that Romney is gone I don’t see the purpose of the Mormon bashing.”
Mormonism didn’t cease being a cult when Romney went down. And since the Mormons are still attempting to fool the world that they are Christian, with many mighty advocates in the media, it is necessary to continue exposing their religion.
To: Rome2000
“You seem to have a problem with their wacky beliefs, thats fine.”
If you’re a Christian, so should you, unless burning in hell is A-OK.
To: IronJack
You could not be more wrong, God has nothing to do with mormonISM
116
posted on
07/06/2013 4:57:08 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Stand or die)
To: Rome2000
LEARN the difference between mormons and mormonISM, then comment
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posted on
07/06/2013 4:59:21 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Stand or die)
To: IronJack
“Note the emphasis. No one is MAKING these “folks” believe Mormonism any more than they’re MAKING them believe Christianity. The missionaries are offering them a story — the Mormon story — and God has given them free will to decide if they’ll believe it or not. My advice is for us to do the same.”
So basically your opinion is that we all have the right to have an opinion, and you thought that this was so deep and profound that it was worth telling us? If that’s all you had to say, you should probably stop repeating it now.
To: servo1969
119
posted on
07/06/2013 5:06:39 PM PDT
by
metmom
(For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
To: IronJack; greyfoxx39
The missionaries are offering them a story -- the Mormon story -- and God has given them free will to decide if they'll believe it or not. My advice is for us to do the same. If they are not given the truth, then we fail God and allow them to condemn themselves to hell. Your advice is not godly Jack.
120
posted on
07/06/2013 5:25:38 PM PDT
by
Godzilla
(3/7/77)
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