Posted on 05/31/2013 8:10:00 AM PDT by rktman
New York State has made it clear that it believes that only police officers can be trusted with magazines that hold more than seven rounds. A Nassau County police officer recently fired eight rounds at an armed individual who was menacing him and a hostage, with the result that the hostage died.
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Questions can be asked later, if necessary.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Technically speaking, that is ‘Tuco’s Rule’, from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966).
“When you have to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.”
You should even hear it in Eli Wallach’s voice when you read it.
RE: Technically speaking, that is ‘Tuco’s Rule’, from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966).
If the James Bond Villains had followed Tuco’s advise from the outset, 007 would have been dead long ago. :)
Tuco’s Law!!!
This is actually bad advice. An instructor for a tactical pistol training course I took a while back gave me a better rule: Justice In Three
You are in defense of yourself and your freedom three times when you use a firearm in self-defense:
1. When you fire your weapon: You are defending yourself from the assailant. It's best to shoot to kill, as the tale will be decidedly in your favor.
2. When you talk to the police: You are backing up your right to fire your weapon. If the perp's dead, tell the truth. If the perp's alive, request counsel before talking to the police.
3. When you tell your story to the judge/jury: If it gets to this point, you either have an overzealous cop or a live perp. Make sure you have a good lawyer, tell the truth, and make sure you explain that you had no options but to defend yourself.
These three decisions should be made before you even draw your weapon. They should consume your thoughts every day and every where you pull a weapon. If you're not prepared for every scenario, you're going to wind up killing an innocent bystandard (on your conscience), going to jail for manslaughter (on your freedom), or dead (on your life).
“When you have to shoot, shoot; Don’t talk.”
Being correctly certain you have to shoot is the problem.
Wait....What?
They are “Highly” in the use of firearms. How could this happen?
As Sheriff Explorer I shot with my local Sheriff Dept a couple of times a year.
Way too many sucked.
I recall on officer shooting his silhouette and at the of the set, he had shot the shoulders of the silhouette and several rounds were outside the black.
AT 12 FRICKIN YARDS!!!
I laughed and remarked “Looks like you winged him” and another officer laughingly said “Nice of you to let him live. I’duh shot him dead”.
To many LEO don’t take that tool on their hip seriously and far too many feel that statistically they won’t ever draw their weapon much less fire it.
For them, this skill isn’t important.
Frickin stoopid. The day may come when your life, the lives of your fellow brothers, the public or maybe your family will depend your ability to defend everyone with extreme prejudice.
The officer had the nerve to remark “You’re shooting ain’t all that great”.
I did a double shake of my head, looked at my target and saw one round off target. Probably the one where I was shooting the head of my target but, all others where in the middle of the head and in the 8 and 10 rings.
Fk him..
Re: “You are defending yourself from the assailant. It’s best to shoot to kill, as the tale will be decidedly in your favor.” I was told (I believe by a former law enforcement officer) that you don’t shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP.
Example: emptying a .22 pistol into the bad guy is likely to kill him due to massive internal injuries, but it is unlikely to stop him in time to prevent him from killing you. Lots of Moro rebels were killed (eventually) by multiple hits from .38 sidearms, but only after they killed the Army officers in question.
A single hit from a .45 is, on the other hand, likely to stop the bad guy, but it won’t necessarily kill him. I think it was Ayoob who argued quite convincingly that the .45 is more humane because it stops the criminal more quickly, even though it makes a bigger wound than a smaller bullet.
In any event, the objective is to STOP the bad guy from causing you death or serious physical injury, which both the law and common sense entitle you to do.
Re: “Being correctly certain you have to shoot is the problem.” The situation involved a hostage taker POINTING A GUN at a police officer, and thus being capable of taking the officer’s life in a fraction of a second. It’s pretty clear that the officer had to shoot rather than talk.
If you’re firing center-mass or for the head, you’re going to get the kill. The amount of sheer force of a .45 at impact is enough to rupture the aorta or even the heart itself. 9 mm is proven lethal at close range (<5 m) at center mass.
If you go for a gut shot or the legs or groin, you’ll incapacitate, definitely stop, but if proper medical attention is received, they’ll live. I’d rather shoot center mass. That’s my goal when I’m at the range anyway. Largest target area means the highest probability of a stopping or killing blow.
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