Ah, are you being purposefully obtuse here? So what, if Rossi monitors his black box with the most sensitive thermometers in the world. It's still a black box. He still won't allow any independent examination of the black box. Exothermic processes are so ubiquitous that merely demonstrating an increase in heat means nothing. With no effort at all, I can think of any number of ways to generate heat. I would be absolutely dumbfounded if you were to claim that the *only* way in which heat can be generated is through cold fusion. The simplest explanation here is that Rossi rigged the circuit so that the meters show zero when it really has current running through it, and, inside the black box, the current was running through a resistor, generating heat.
The fact that Rossi won’t allow anyone but himself to actually see the “working parts” of his device
***It is black box testing. Why is that so hard to understand? Rossi is protecting his trade secret. The Wright brothers never submitted their device to demo until they had an agreement that once it was revealed, then they would get paid for selling airplanes. Freepers like you would have been calling the Wright brothers scam artists. It’s sickening.
Seriously, do you think I was born yesterday? There are ways to protect trade secrets--oh, but there must be real trade secrets to protect.
Your analogy to the Wright brothers falls flat for a number of reasons. First and foremost, the Wright brothers were not inviting people to come see their flying machine and then showing it to them on the ground at point A, and again at ground point B, but not letting them see anything in between while telling them that it flew. They actually showed their machines to people. People took pictures of the machines in the air. The Wright brothers also did not claim that flight violates physical law, or that they somehow found a loophole in physics. They obtained patents along the way, did a whole lot of experimentation, and published their results in journals. While Rossi claims all the secrecy is needed to supposedly protect trade secrets, legitimate companies seem to protect trade secrets all the time using the legal mechanisms that exist for that exact purpose.
or do any kind of meaningful analysis that would support his claim is a huge red flag.
***Once again. Try to get an idea of what black box testing is all about.
Oh, I know perfectly well what it's about. It's about hiding the fact that there is no magical process going on inside the black box. A sufficient amount of showmanship effectively directs people's attention away from that little complication.
It’s also highly suspicious that he won’t actually disconnect his device from a power source while it’s supposedly running in self-sustaining mode.
***He has in the past, and this time around he wasn’t even present during the testing. So where do you get this idea?
From this excerpt from an article about it: The setup included the system being fed by: “... a TRIAC power regulator device which interrupted each phase periodically, in order to modulate power input with an industrial trade secret waveform.” (Emphasis added) Not hard to figure this out--that device fed power into the black box the whole time. It is also significant that the people who *were* around for the testing are the exact same people who have been participating in the scam from the start. There still has been no independent test, nor will there be.
And, despite Intrade’s recently being shut down (for irregularities, go figure!), I am still highly suspicious of your claims to be investing in this scam.
***And now I am highly suspicious of your claims because you have such a high opinion of Rossi. Maybe it’s a conspiracy with those 7 scientists and those 14,700 replications which took place before Rossi even came onto the scene! Widest conspiracy theory in history. Good luck with that.
Oh, all of those replications, all published in the form of abstracts presented at conferences meant to highlight pseudophysics. Oh, I am so convinced now! With little effort, I can find thousands of mentions of paranormal or psychic research on Google--there are several societies and journals dedicated to it, in fact. Does that mean paranormal activity is real, too? Should I start believing in telepathy and poltergeists now?
Ah, are you being purposefully obtuse here? So what, if Rossi monitors his black box with the most sensitive thermometers in the world. It’s still a black box.
***It wasn’t Rossi monitoring it. It was 7 independent scientists. Do you accept their measurements?
Exothermic processes are so ubiquitous that merely demonstrating an increase in heat means nothing.
***Ah, are you being purposefully obtuse here? It is CHEMICAL exothermic processes which are so ubiquitious, and the heat generated in this test was ten times that which can be achieved by ANY chemical.
The simplest explanation here is that Rossi rigged the circuit so that the meters show zero when it really has current running through it, and, inside the black box, the current was running through a resistor, generating heat.
***And that was checked by the scientists.
Seriously, do you think I was born yesterday? There are ways to protect trade secrets—oh, but there must be real trade secrets to protect.
***That’s your freeping answer? Obfuscation? Deflection. Yes, you were born yesterday.
They actually showed their machines to people. People took pictures of the machines in the air.
***No, they didn’t. Not between 1903 and 1908. People took pictures of the machines in the air, and were promptly identified as fakes. Just like the skeptopaths are doing with Rossi’s device today.
The Wright brothers also did not claim that flight violates physical law, or that they somehow found a loophole in physics.
***And neither do LENR researchers.
They obtained patents along the way,
***And if Rossi could get patents from the USPTO, he would. But cold fusion patents are refused. So Rossi needs to protect his IP. Thanks for making my point for me.
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They obtained patents along the way, did a whole lot of experimentation,
***And so have LENR researchers, with their 14,700 replications. Look at all the journals, many of which are peer reviewed, at LENR-CANR.org.
and published their results in journals.
***http://lenr-canr.org/
While Rossi claims all the secrecy is needed to supposedly protect trade secrets, legitimate companies seem to protect trade secrets all the time using the legal mechanisms that exist for that exact purpose.
***Yup. Patents. But since you made that point for me already, and you’re going over this ground again, then it’s time to once again point out that the USPTO does not grant cold fusion patents.
Black box testing.... It’s about hiding the fact that there is no magical process going on inside the black box.
***Then you accept the measurements?
A sufficient amount of showmanship effectively directs people’s attention away from that little complication.
***You have an incredibly high opinion of Rossi’s ability as a magician, a showman who can pull his stunts without even being on the stage, and in one case not even be on the same continent. But I have a lower opinion of Rossi, that he’s a crappy showman.
Oh, all of those replications, all published in the form of abstracts presented at conferences meant to highlight pseudophysics.
***I’ll keep it in mind that you think publications like Naturewieesen and Physics Letters A are pseudophysics. How again is it that the mods say that such skepticism isn’t anti-science?
Oh, I am so convinced now! With little effort, I can find thousands of mentions of paranormal or psychic research on Google—
***And how many in peer reviewed literature, then?
there are several societies and journals dedicated to it, in fact. Does that mean paranormal activity is real, too? Should I start believing in telepathy and poltergeists now?
***Should I start believing you are pro-science now?
Kevmo: Is the 2nd device 10X hotter than the first device? It’s a very, very straightforward answer, yet there are so many freepers inhabiting these threads who don’t seem to understand it.
DemMom: Ah, are you being purposefully obtuse here?
***Avoiding the question. Is such behavior more consistent with forwarding scientific knowledge, or with anti-science viewpoint? It is more towards anti-science.