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To: Kevmo

Just think for a few minutes about what you said regarding accurate measurements...

It would be different if you were measuring the velocity of a object that you understand and are fully briefed that the object has no internal motive ability and cannot propel it’s self in any way. Nobody then could question that the object measurement was faked...

But you are asking me to take a huge leap of faith just as a magician would when they do the levitation act. They allow someone from the audience, sometimes a plant and sometimes real (you don’t know and can’t know)who will take a rod and waive it under and over the top of the object to be levitated and proclaim that there are no strings! No supports...Yippee! We have levitation!

We accept that and pay our 30-40 bucks knowing full well it was a trick, a fakery of diversion. We know the magician has spoofed us but we don’t care. We saw the measurements...we looked with our own eyes and saw nothing supporting that object. But we also know it was faked and that nobody can levitate something of that mass with their mind.

So here you have a inventor who has withheld certain knowledge as proprietary secrets, has had others who we don’t really know well to waive the magicians rod under and over the black box and proclaim the results are good! So now we are supposed to accept this????

I understand that this is not a magicians show, and we are not paying 30-40 bucks for a couple hours of entertainment. In fact this is the core of the problem because that is exactly what it looks like and until more of this proprietary information is made known, all you can do is treat it like the magicians trick. Be intrigued and entertained by it but realize there is too much about it that is not known and no explanation will suffice to counter the fact that nobody but this inventor can really know and understand what is actually happening in that box.

It’s quite clear that we cannot with the information provided.


402 posted on 05/27/2013 7:38:53 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

So now we are supposed to accept this????
***You yourself said that you accept these simple measurements.

Do you accept these simple measurements?
Sure....The measurements are not a issue with me.

This isn’t a magician’s trick because the magician needs to operate in a controlled environment or his trick won’t work. The magician can’t do the trick if he ain’t there — Rossi wasn’t even there for the bulk of these tests. The magician can’t do the trick if he can’t jig the testing parameters like handing the audience member a trick ring — These scientists brought their own measuring equipment. That’s like someone coming up onto the stage with their own measuring ring, knowing what subterfuge to look for. And then finally, the reason why this result is so astonishing to you is that you haven’t been following the recent developments in LENR. For instance, the F-P Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times, and that was before Rossi ever came onto the scene. Once you start to look at the data in that context, the result isn’t so shocking.

So, you had said that you accept these measurements. These 7 scientists are simply measuring fakery, according to you. Then what about the 14,700 other times the same kind of measurements generated very similar results? Were all those faked? Is it a giant conspiracy?


404 posted on 05/27/2013 7:48:01 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Cold Heat

You did not address this

So, you had said that you accept these measurements. These 7 scientists are simply measuring fakery, according to you. Then what about the 14,700 other times the same kind of measurements generated very similar results? Were all those faked? Is it a giant conspiracy?


409 posted on 05/27/2013 10:09:45 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Cold Heat
"So here you have a inventor who has withheld certain knowledge as proprietary secrets, has had others who we don’t really know well to waive the magicians rod under and over the black box and proclaim the results are good! So now we are supposed to accept this????

Large numbers of inventors do precisely that, as do many companies. Completely not unusual. The qualifications and reputations of those doing the test are a matter of public record, and can be sourced in many places.

How many published research papers are written that you know the authors of well enough to "vouch" for them??? Probably very few, if not none. Yet you more than likely take the results of those articles as "good" based on no more than "their" published CV's.

476 posted on 05/28/2013 4:00:13 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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