Um, yeah. When real physics are involved, no one ever has to wait and see if something "turns out to be real." It's amazing how scams have to find their basis in laws of physics that supposedly haven't been discovered yet.
Sounds like you don’t trust the physics background of the 7 scientists involved. What exactly would be YOUR background to question these folks (and the Swedish Industrial Group ELFORSK)???
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg80825.html
Giuseppe Levi
Assistant Professor
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Bologna University
Bologna, Italy
Bio:
http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.it&TabControl1=TabCV
Website: http://www.giuseppelevi.it/
Publications: http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/47387224/g-leviand
http://www.unibo.it/Faculty/default.htm?TabControl1=TabPubs&upn=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.it
Evelyn Foschi “is in the product development department for medical
devices, University of Bologna. Her specialty is X-ray.” —
http://andrearossiecat.com/e-cat/members-of-the-3rd-party-report-commission
Publications: No.
Torbjörn Hartman
Senior Research Engineer
The Svedberg Laboratory (which specializes in proton therapy and is
attached to Uppsala University)
Uppsala, Sweden,
Publications:
http://www.journalogy.net/Author/53814223/torbjorn-hartman?query=Torbj%u00f6rn%20Hartman
Bo Höistad
Professor
Department of Physics and Astronomy, Nuclear Physics
Uppsala University
Uppsala, Sweden
Publications: http://www.journalogy.net/Author/51661212
Roland Pettersson
Senior Lecturer
Department of Chemistry - BMC, Analytical Chemistry
Uppsala University
Uppsala, Sweden
Publications:
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/56841550/roland-pettersson
Lars Tegnér
Professor Emeritus
Department of Engineering Sciences, Division of Electricity
Uppsala University
Uppsala, Sweden
Publications: Doctoral thesis -
http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?searchId=2&pid=diva2:298914 -
otherwise apparently not published unless he is also P.-E. Tegnér in which
case he’s somehow connected to Stockholm University:
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/13416120/p-e-tegner
Hanno Essen
Docent and Lecturer
Department of Mechanics of the KTH Royal Institute of Technology
Stockholm, Sweden
Publications:
http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/12981049/hanno-essen
Essen, Rossi’s site notes, was at one time critical of Rossi and the E-Cat.
Jed Rothwell Thu, 23 May 2013 15:52:40 -0700
Mark Gibbs wrote:
Essen, Rossi’s site notes, was at one time critical of Rossi and the E-Cat. Anyone got any citations?
He published some strong remarks, years ago. I expect you can find them easily with Google. He was the president of the Swedish Skeptics Society, so it is no surprise he had it in for Rossi, and for cold fusion in general.
I find it almost miraculous that anyone connected with a “Skeptics Society” can bring himself to say anything positive about cold fusion. Essen is not your typical capital-S Skeptic.
- Jed
19 posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 12:26:55 PM by Kevmo (”A person’s a person, no matter how small” ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: All; y’all; et al
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http://coldfusion3.com/blog/giuseppe-levi-goes-on-record-to-discuss-e-cat
Giuseppe Levi goes on Record to Discuss E-cat
August 25, 2011
A respected Italian physicist has gone on record to defend Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi’s e-cat. Giuseppe Levi, a professor at the University of Bologna and a colleague of Sergio Focardi sat down for a long video interview with Steven B Krivit of New Energy Times in June. The video was only made available at the New Energy Times website on August 14.
Levi spoke English and he is very easy to understand and entertaining. He gave some good points to Krivit who did not appear to talk much. Levi is an expert on nuclear physics, energy physics and sub nuclear physics who has worked on satellites and other projects in the past.
Levi’s main points were:
• He has worked with Focardi on other projects and respects him.
• Levi has been following Rossi and Focardi’s work for three years but only examined the e-cat itself on December 16, 2010. He did extensive testing of the e-cat and apparently believes Rossi’s claims.
• Levi is a member of the US group the Skeptic’s Society and he applied their “baloney detector kit.” (A set of parameters for the detection of fraud developed by the late Carl Sagan) to the e-cat and found it was not baloney.
• Levi said he investigated the e-cat because it is his duty as a scientist. He also wanted to protect the University of Bologna’s reputation from a possible fraud.
• Levi did admit that the e-cat was developed in what he called an “industrial” and not a research environment.
• The January e-cat news conference and demonstration by Rossi and Focardi was done in order to show the scientific community the validity of the e-cat and protect Focardi’s reputation.
• Levi seems to be concerned about Focardi’s reputation and is trying to protect it.
• Levi said other scientists including chemists have examined the e-cat and verified some of the results.
Levi also gave some interesting quotes in response to Krivit’s questions.
When asked why he investigated the e-cat, Levi said: “You must go and look by yourself. It is one of my duties I am a researcher I am paid by public money. Something very important was going on with the name of the University of Bologna. It was my duty to know if it was something real. If it is something real we must make research on it.”
When asked if the e-cat represents a new physics or not, Levi said: “There is not a new quantum mechanics but some new phenomenon.”
LOL. And you claim to know something about science. Discovery after discovery has been in the "wait and see" state until one generation of know-it-alls dies and is replaced by a new generation who is willing to actually examine the evidence with an open mind.
Unlike you and others who steadfastly refuse to read the experimental literature outlining the replications, both of Pons and Fleischmann, and Arata, and others.
I still recommend you read Beaudette's book and learn something instead of mouthing off. The data is there, you just refuse to look at it.