> What you hear and what I actually meant are two different things. You ignore the words — the lesser of the evil ( which I repeated several times ).
No, I’ve addressed that MULTIPLE times. You refuse to hear: the compromise between good and evil only works to evil’s favor: you do no-one any good by endorsing a “lesser of two evils” philosophy.
Or, let me put it another way: point out a spot were electing a “moderate” left us in a better position than trying for a “conservative”?
> Ronald Reagan is considered by most conservatives to be one of the greatest presidents ever. Perhaps the best of the 20th century.
> But even he could not reverse abortion. And by voting for Gary Johnson, you think he could have done better? Why?
I never said he could do better than Reagan, in fact I’ve claimed that I’m very ignorant of Reagan other than some mere mostly-meaningless historical data. — And that brings up a better point, why do you bring Reagan up if he’s supposedly the “best of the 20th Century”? Wouldn’t it be better to bring up the most average (or even worst) Republican president for your argument?
> Well, here you are complaining that nothing is done about Obama’s eligibility and I asked you what Gary Johnson (your candidate) would have done and you haven’t answered my question.
> If the GOP rolled over this issue, then your candidate rolled over this issue too. Yet, You’d vote for him anyway
My point about the GOP isn’t *ONLY* this issue, it’s that they do it on _*EVERY*_ issue.
Name *THREE* issues from their platform that the GOP [AS A PARTY] has stood firm on, not on simply slowing down but reversing current bad-policy.
RE: No, I’ve addressed that MULTIPLE times. You refuse to hear: the compromise between good and evil only works to evil’s favor: you do no-one any good by endorsing a “lesser of two evils” philosophy.
And again you seem to ignore the fact that PRACTICALLY, we do not have a third choice. You might insist that Gary Johnson is it but he isn’t.
The main practical choice is to either stop Obama with an imperfect candidate who can reverse many of his policies or let him romp.
THOSE are the two practical choices in 2012.
RE: Or, let me put it another way: point out a spot were electing a “moderate” left us in a better position than trying for a “conservative”?
The Bush tax cut that lasted for 10 years and got us out of the DOT COM bust recession and the terrorism attack that almost destroyed our economy.
Bush was a moderate, he was not a conservative by any means, but he was the better choice compared to Al Gore.
RE: And that brings up a better point, why do you bring Reagan up if he’s supposedly the “best of the 20th Century”? Wouldn’t it be better to bring up the most average (or even worst) Republican president for your argument?
Because you brought up abortion and want a change in policy pronto. I brought Reagan up to show you that even as conservative a president as he is, he couldn’t do anything to reverse abortion.
So, to castigate Romney or the Republicans for not reversing the trend ASAP is to demand the impossible.
Both conservative anti-abortion candidates — Todd Akin and Richard Murdock lost on this issue.
And you expect Gary Johnson to do something about it?
RE: Name *THREE* issues from their platform that the GOP [AS A PARTY] has stood firm on
1) Gun control has not passed.
2) Even background checks did not pass
3) They held firm on the sequester.
4) Congress voted to repeal Obamacare
5) Congress voted for the balanced budget amendment.
6) Other than Rob Portman ( whose son is gay ) and Susan Collins, I don’t see any Republican switching to vote for gay marriage.
The GOP is still firm in support of the Defense of Marriage Act. Both upper and lower house.
My personal conclusion is this — you want change? stick with those Republicans who held firm and continue to hold firm on conservative issues.
And if are dealt a bad hand (e.g. a Romney ), vote for the lesser evil.
And if they are REALLY just as bad as each other, then vote third party.
But clearly Romney is BETTER than Obama. That’s why I won’t go third party.
One caveat: If Gary Johnson were the GOP candidate (as he originally planned to be), I’d vote for him.