RE: So, who is better off here? Me who did not compromise with evil, or you who did?
You because you wasted your vote on somebody who has NO CHANCE of winning.
RE: That depends on if the people buy into the “you’re wasting your vote if you vote third-party”-idea — and, honestly, what better way to change that in America than to vote 3rd party? [The only other option involves bloodshed.]
Or, to slowly change the party that has the best chance of winning. You are willing to give up on the Republican party as irreformable. I’m not. That’s the difference between you and me.
I’d rather say — OK Mr. Romney, we voted for you BECAUSE you promised to do this this and this and if you don’t, you’re out.
You’d rather waste your vote on Gary Johnson.
RE: And there’s your problem: you think that a vote for someone that doesn’t win is wasted.
Yes because IT IS TRUE.
RE: And? How’d that work out? Did you get your guy in? Does the Republican party have any incentive to turn a better (less-socialist or less-statist) candidate? Of course not, they can *ALWAYS* count on your vote because there is, apparently, no point where you’ll say “I won’t vote foe X because he is Y” (X being the candidate, and Y being some philosophy), because there is no Y that you find repugnant enough to declare unacceptable.
OK, what did your vote do for Gary Johnson? did it not help Obama to win? How many people in America even KNOW who Gary Johnson is?
I voted for Romney because at least he PROMISED ( and I believe he intended to fulfill it ) to REVERSE what Obama did between 2008 and 2012. That would have made a HUGE difference.
If he did that there’s the message to the Republican party — DON’T BE LIKE THE DEMOCRATS.
And come to think of it, we were already slowly getting there... Congress actually VOTED to repeal Obamacare. Had we won back the Senate AND the Presidency, the chances of it being repealed would have increased. The message to both parties would have been CLEAR.
REPEAL OBAMACARE !! we voted for it.
Now, because Obama is still President (thanks to those who stayed at home or those who wasted their vote on someone who get less than 1% of the vote), Obamacare is still the law and full implementation comes next year.
RE: So — let me ask... how are you different from the liberals who blast anyone who doesn’t agree with them? Or is there something about me, specially, that invalidates my right to vote the way I see fit?
Simple, I voted for someone who WILL reverse SOME HUGE liberal policies. That IS something. And that IS the difference.
And I never said you cannot vote the way you fit. I just said you wasted your vote.
> You because you wasted your vote on somebody who has NO CHANCE of winning.
And he had no chance “because nobody would vote for him”?
> Or, to slowly change the party that has the best chance of winning.
Yes, and by compromising you signal to the party that (a) evil is acceptable, and (b) they really don’t need to push for any of the good things in the platform — ending abortion, government responsibility, government accountability, government limitations — hell, all through this you’ve argued against government limitations (specifically tax-rates, which are under congress and not the president).
> You are willing to give up on the Republican party as irreformable. I’m not. That’s the difference between you and me.
Have you ever tried to help someone who doesn’t want help? Someone who doesn’t think they have a problem?
That is the Republican party, and I refuse to support them while they do jack-shit about actually striving for their stated goals:
As a Party:
They say they’re pro 2nd Amendment — When have they pushed to repeal GCA or NFA... or eliminating gun-free zones?
They say they’re pro government accountability — What have they done to hold the likes of Fast & Furious or Bengahazi to accountability?
They say they’re for government reducing spending — When was the last time they cut [not renamed/restructured] a federal agency?
They say they’re for ending abortion — When was the last time they pushed back on that? (And is the Partial Birth Abortion Ban of any effect?)
They say they’re for reducing tax burdens — When was the last time they pushed for a no-strings reduction? (Bush’s tax-cuts don’t count because they had strings.)
They say they’re for Constitutional limitations — When was the last time they pushed to reduce (not even end) the War on Drugs? (Which destroys the bill of rights.)
So, how am I going to “reform” a group that, by its actions, shows it has no intention of doing anything it says it wants to do? How are you?
If my vote is wasted, then what of your emotions and passions and investment to this party?
> I’d rather say — OK Mr. Romney, we voted for you BECAUSE you promised to do this this and this and if you don’t, you’re out.
> You’d rather waste your vote on Gary Johnson.
Or would you simply give him the excuse of “under Obama it would have been worse”? Moreover, would the congress have backed you to throw him out?
>> RE: And there’s your problem: you think that a vote for someone that doesn’t win is wasted.
>
>Yes because IT IS TRUE.
Then YOUR VOTE WAS WASTED BECAUSE ROMNEY DIDN’T WIN!
> OK, what did your vote do for Gary Johnson? did it not help Obama to win? How many people in America even KNOW who Gary Johnson is?
It contributed to giving him 1% of the popular vote.
No, unless you wish to claim that any vote that wasn’t Romney was actually for Obama — in which case you’re admitting that all votes are worthless.
At least 1%, obviously; likely a lot more who discarded him as an option because “a third party can’t win.”
> If he did that there’s the message to the Republican party — DON’T BE LIKE THE DEMOCRATS.
By being like the Democrats and selecting a statist & socialist?
“We had to destroy the village to save it.”
> And come to think of it, we were already slowly getting there... Congress actually VOTED to repeal Obamacare. Had we won back the Senate AND the Presidency, the chances of it being repealed would have increased. The message to both parties would have been CLEAR.
That if we had bacon we could have bacon and eggs, if only we had some eggs?
Or that only a Socialist/statist can be President?
Hell, I don’t think the Republican party would understand anything less than losing nearly all its voters, and it’s been doing a bang-up job of that: McCain, Romney... but don’t worry, they’re sure to hear your cries and give you a woman candidate who has plenty of experience in government — Olympia Snowe.
> Now, because Obama is still President (thanks to those who stayed at home or those who wasted their vote on someone who get less than 1% of the vote),
Johnson did not get less than one percent, and I still think Romney could have ended up being worse (because the Republicans wouldn’t put up even token resistance to his socialism).
> Obamacare is still the law and full implementation comes next year.
Sucks to be you. :)
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And me. :(