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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; YHAOS; marron; Spruce; xzins; cloudmountain; Norm Lenhart; Kevmo
So, when my soul (spirit) makes that final "rotation onto the imaginary axis" {Inside joke} and crosses the boundary into the Heavenly realm, I am prepared to stand there, in my "heavenly body", arm in arm and singing praises to our Lord in sweet harmony with other creatures "made in the image of God", whose lives in this universe were spent in physical bodies that were optimized for life in conditions that would destroy us "carbon-based earthforms" instantly.

Seems reasonable to me, dear brother in Christ!

Oh, I didn't locate the "easter egg," but I caught your ref to the "imaginary axis ... [that] crosses the boundary into the Heavenly realm."

By analogy to "rotation" of the Cartesian Plane's Y Axis — which is said to be "populated" entirely by imaginary numbers — by rotating the X Axis around a zero point. The X Axis is "populated" by the real numbers.

In temporal terms, one might say the X Axis is a good model of "ordinary" human time. That is, the time concept as a linear, serial, irreversible progression from past to present to future. This sort of time has a "unit": the moment. Time flows only one way, as the simple progression of "moments," nothing more. Sooner or later, everything is "over the dam."

To say the Y Axis is exclusively populated by imaginary numbers tells you exactly nothing. For on the basis of ordinary experience, no one can visualize an imaginary number, or conceive what purpose it might possibly serve in the great scheme of things.

Definitionally, the basic imaginary number is i, which equals the number expressing the square root of 2, or –1. Going to its mathematical usage, an imaginary number, when squared, gives a negative result. As it turns out, sometimes this comes in handy:

... by simply accepting that i exists we can solve things that need the square root of a negative number. — See: Math Is Fun.

My takeaway from the above description of Y and X axes, imaginary and real numbers, and "horizontal" time" and "vertical time" (speaking hypothetically here) is that the two "time orders" sketched on the Cartesian Plane mutually interact in the human subjective sense, in the mind. (And that's where complex numbers come from.)

I'm not sure that my dear brother MHGinTN would entirely agree on this. But I must say that his concepts of linear and planar time pretty much jibe with the temporal meanings I assign to the axes X and Y respectively.

But then there would need to be a "volumetric time," to "encompass" them both, and bring them into mutual relation.... Need a new axis!

But that hypothetical Axis cannot be located on the Cartesian Plane — for that plane is relentlessly "flat."

Anyhoot, to get back to where we started, I think of the critturs along the "imaginary axis" to which you referred — Y Axis — as possibly suggesting "time-like," directional properties or qualities to the mind of an observer.

I do not think/believe the separation of the temporal body and immortal soul occurs within such a dimensionally-limited spacetime.

Or even in any possible spacetime. For our Lord is not "in" Time. Or "in" Space. JMHO FWIW

Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts, dear TXnMA!!!

And thank you so very much for posting the awesome photo!

218 posted on 05/17/2013 3:01:10 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

Quoting a well used phrase or two, ‘Without time events do not occur and without space things do not exist.’ Even the soul has spacetime coordinates. The trick is to figure out how to express those coordinates mathematically so that they may be integrated with those of the physical body and the immortal spirit.


219 posted on 05/17/2013 3:10:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: betty boop; MHGinTN; TXnMA; YHAOS; marron; xzins; Kevmo
Thank you so very much for sharing your penetrating insights, dearest sister in Christ!

My takeaway from the above description of Y and X axes, imaginary and real numbers, and "horizontal" time" and "vertical time" (speaking hypothetically here) is that the two "time orders" sketched on the Cartesian Plane mutually interact in the human subjective sense, in the mind. (And that's where complex numbers come from.)

I'm not sure that my dear brother MHGinTN would entirely agree on this. But I must say that his concepts of linear and planar time pretty much jibe with the temporal meanings I assign to the axes X and Y respectively.

But then there would need to be a "volumetric time," to "encompass" them both, and bring them into mutual relation.... Need a new axis!

But that hypothetical Axis cannot be located on the Cartesian Plane — for that plane is relentlessly "flat."

That's the problem with a 2 dimensional plane.

But what if we visualized the space/time continuum as having multiple expanded dimensions or even infinite dimensions?

To make it interesting, we might consider Everett's Multi-World Theory which derives from Schrödinger's equation (the cat is both alive and dead.)

As MHGinTN said, paraphrased, in the absence of time events cannot occur and in the absence of space things cannot exist.

Both are very true, but a choice event whether quantum or classical (choosing a taco over a hamburger for lunch) - does not necessarily collapse the apparent other paths, e.g. the hamburger choice. At least in Everett's theory all choices were made and the consequences exist some where/when.

In a finite space/time continuum with volumetric time - past, present and future concurrently exist. But if his theory is correct then all paths would also exist.

If so, the Great White Throne judgment will be amazing as all the "what ifs" would be answered. Everything would be known.

But time and space (however many dimensions) are part of the Creation and not restrictions on the Creator of them. Moreover, we Christians are already alive with Christ in God and thus have a sense of not really being "home" in the flesh.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:1-9

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Corinthians 6:19

So for me, the Y axis is akin to Spiritual perception.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:13

Conversely, Sensory perception would be the X axis.

Every "natural" men Jesus was speaking to could physically hear Him, but only those with "ears to hear" could spiritually hear him.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

So much like the flatlanders of a 3D world (2 spatial dimensions, 1 temporal dimension) - 4Ders (3S,1T) are limited by sensory perception to detecting only the intersections of extra-dimensional events/things in our 4D world.

But mortal (4D) Christians discern spiritually as well as physically, i.e. the Y axis. So we know things or have understanding on top of, or perhaps even in spite of, our sensory perceptions.

(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) - 2 Cor 5:7

It will be thrilling to understand the mathematics behind these dimensions and intersections - but, alas, we may have to wait until the next life to do so.

God's Name is I AM.

220 posted on 05/17/2013 10:25:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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