[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

I used the 5D2T expression because that is how an actual theory by P.S. Wesson is expressed by him. An offshoot of his theory is that physical death may merely be a phase change:

We review the idea, due to Einstein, Eddington, Hoyle and Ballard, that time is a subjective label, whose primary purpose is to order events, perhaps in a higher-dimensional universe. In this approach, all moments in time exist simultaneously, but they are ordered to create the illusion of an unfolding experience by some physical mechanism. This, in the language of relativity, may be connected to a hypersurface in a world that extends beyond spacetime. Death in such a scenario may be merely a phase change.

Time as an Illusion

The photon, as you describe, travels a "null path" meaning that for the photon as observer no time elapses. It is indeed a perfect metaphor because God is timeless:

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - I John 1:5

And it has even greater meaning when contemplating God's Shekinah glory which is represented by the metaphor of light:

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

Any hoot, the photon would be nS0T from its perspective as observer. And as you say nSnT from the perspective of a different observer, e.g. the light arriving today may be from a star which ceased to emit light millions of years ago, from our perspective in space/time.

This, by the way, is the big omission in most crevo debates about the age of the universe. People tend to not finish their sentences. For instance, the universe is approximately 15 billion years old from our space/time coordinates but only a week old from the inception space/time coordinates. (Schroeder et al)

I would also suggest that the 5 dimensional being could be 4S1T and still remove the contents of the box without opening it. To him, my body would appear as if an arm here, a leg there even though from my 4D (3S1T) perspective my own body is whole, i.e. not disconnected.

To sort this all out, lurkers might consider how a "flatlander" - a denizen of a 3D (2S1T) - existing in a plane or membrane - would consider us 4D creatures (3S1T). They would not be able to make sense of our interactions in their sheet-of-paper like worldview.

Likewise we would have difficulty understanding a >4D creature much less God.

Truly, man is not the measure of God.

mitch5501, I wanted to add a quick observation to your insight on the previous post. You said:

The thought crosses my mind sometimes that maybe all that is out there is simply machinery necessary to keep everything running.

That may very well be true. Indeed, from our perspective in space/time - due mostly to gravity - we cannot even sense how fast we are actually moving, i.e. more than 550,000 miles per hour:

A fly in your car is going 5 mph. That is his speed from his perspective as the observer. But your car in speeding down the road at 65 mph. So for the guy watching you from the roadside table, that fly is going 70 mph.

But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.

Moreover, the orbital length of earth traveling around the sun is 149,600,000 miles, traveled in 365.25 days. That is 67,000 miles per hour. So add that in, and the fly is going 68,170 mph. The sun orbits the Milky Way galaxy at a speed of 486,000 miles per hour. Add that in, and the fly is now going 554,170 miles per hour.

All of this and we haven’t gotten to the accelerating expansion of the universe, i.e. space/time itself.

A galaxy 1 million light years away would seem to be moving away from us at a rate of 60,000 miles per hour. For every 3.26 million light years further out that we look, the galaxies seem to be moving away from us at an additional 162,000 miles per hour In sum, the universe is currently at least 156 billion light years wide.

And that is from the fly’s perspective. If we go in the other direction as "observer" – the quantum – the cumulative velocities are even more mind-boggling.

We cannot physically sense this - or relativistic time or mass - or the proportion of cosmos to quantum. But all this magnitude (which may be utterly irrelevant from a different dimensional perspective) would be required for us to sense the world as we do.

So, yes, I agree that it is no accident.

Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous - A. Einstein

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

[xzins]

A fly in your car is going 5 mph. That is his speed from his perspective as the observer. But your car in speeding down the road at 65 mph. So for the guy watching you from the roadside table, that fly is going 70 mph. But the road you have taken is on the equator and the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles and the earth rotates once every 24 hours. So that fly is now going 1,100 mph + 70 mph = 1,170 mph.

Something I've meant to ask each time this discussion comes up: If the car if going due west at 65 and the fly is going the opposite at 5, then from the observer's viewpoint, is the fly going 60 mph?

The same with the earth. If the earth's rotational direction is east, and the fly and car are both going west, is the speed from the observer's position 1100-70mph, 1030 mph.

And is a runner's speed faster or jump longer if running/jumping from the west to the east?