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To: HomeAtLast

“Mission to Moscow”: Russian leader realized the Nazi threat before any Western leaders did....

Was that before or after Stalin signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler?


5 posted on 04/30/2013 4:57:04 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq He could sure play that axe. RIP anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan

The way I heard it, Stalin was utterly flabbergasted by the Nazi attack on Russia, even killed a messenger (someone who warned him it was on the way).

“Mission” was undoubtedly after the non-aggression pact, Hollywood just doing its part to cast Russia in a positive light when Russia was fighting Hitler’s Germany.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 5:10:08 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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Should’ve read the clipping before I posted. 1943. Yes, not only was it after the non-aggression pact, it was after the German invasion of Russia and after it proved to be a colossal mistake.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 5:15:35 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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Churchill realized what Hitler was before anyone else did, but Stalin was a close second. It was because he realized that Hitler was a madman bent on war that he signed the Non-Aggression Pact with Germany.

The western allies thought Hitler’s aggression could be deterred by making a 3-way alliance that included the USSR. But their diplomatic overtures to Stalin were clumsy at best, and more like farcical. Stalin quickly realized that the western allied strategy to defeat Hitler involved the expenditure of copious amounts of Russian blood, while the allies would sit it out safely behind the Maginot Line. Stalin wanted none of that. In addition, he knew full well that his army would not be ready for war until 1942 or 1943, since he had tripled its size while simultaneously decapitating it by killing off most of the officers. In addition, Stalin gambled that Hitler and the western alliance would bleed each other to exhaustion in a war like World War 1, and allow him to “clean up” in Europe at little cost. Not a bad perception of reality, and a very good strategy in the circumstances.

But reality bites; France folded like a house of cards and Stalin wound up with an angry Hitler at the height of his power, standing on his door step a year before he was ready. Stalin’s reaction was not at all in keeping with his character; he went into denial. It seemed that Joseph Stalin, the man who trusted nobody, wound up trusting the one man nobody should have trusted in Adolph Hitler. So he refused to hear the warnings that the attack was imminent, while attempting a crash effort to get his army ready.

The man who was killed for telling Stalin the truth was Ivan Proskurov, an air force general who was head of Soviet military intelligence. He was outspoken about a great many things, the German preparations for invasion only being one of them. Another was done in a general staff meeting when he told Stalin that the reason for the high incidence of training accidents was the “flying coffins” that were being provided by Soviet industry to the air force. Stalin told him “that was a mistake.” Proskurov was “purged” with extreme prejudice.

The irony of all of this is that Stalin’s strategy guaranteed the one outcome he attempted to avoid. Hitler was defeated at the cost of copious amounts of Russian blood and the destruction of much of what Stalin had built during his five year plans. But Stalin wound up with half a loaf after all; he didn’t clean up in Europe, but he did wind up with the eastern half.

A very good book on this is David Murphy’s “What Stalin Knew.”

And as for Judy Garland’s film, looking like an adult at the end of it; was she popping pills like an adult then, too?


8 posted on 04/30/2013 6:26:54 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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