Posted on 04/19/2013 6:37:34 AM PDT by 7thson
I have some questions I would like to ask and get a general idea of the thoughts of my fellow Freepers
Last night I am watching O’Reilly – please no comments on why. It’s a long story. Anyway, he is talking to Beckel about his unConstitutional law he would like to see the government implement. As a side note, how does he reconcile in his mind when he states the government can’t protect people and then in the next breath wants the government to enact another law to make it more powerful. Anyway, Beckel makes a statement that people living in DC go to a Virginia, buy seven guns at a gun show, and then return to DC to sell them on the street.
My question – in Virginia, can you purchase a firearm, much less seven, at any gun show from any licensed dealer without undergoing a background check or filling out paperwork? I know that in Maryland you have to fill out the same paperwork as you do in the store. I have not been to a gun show in Virginia so I do not know. However, I would surmise that if those selling the firearms are FFLs, then you have to fill out paperwork. Am I correct in that statement?
I know in Virginia, if you live in Maryland, they will not even sell you a firearm at a FFL. My wife and I got that information from a gun store in Virginia. In addition, in Pennsylvania, I know someone who went to Cabalas and was told the same thing.
Getting back to Beckel and BOR – in gun shows across the nation, are those that sell guns licensed FFLs? Are all FFLs across the nation required to do background checks on individuals that buy guns? Is there a gun show loophole? I have also seen that those that sell guns on the internet require that the firearm be shipped to a licensed FFL? So, is there an Internet loophole?
And if the answer to my loop hole questions is no, than why do they keep stating this on television? Even Hannity does not dispute these statements. Have these people ever been to a gun show? Don't people e-mail/call these news programs and tell them that they are wrong?
My last question and just putting it out there for feedback. I have been thinking of writing to my Maryland Congress critters and inviting them to come to a gun show with me. What do Freepers think of that idea?
No. The 'gun show loophole' is a myth. You and another private party can buy from each other without a background check, but not from a dealer. Unlike what is claimed, you don't see too many private sellers at gun shows and most often it is an individual selling to a dealer, not individuals selling to each other. Most private sellers I've seen are also selling collectible firearms.
At any location, in any state, the licensed dealer must perform a background check and have the buyer complete form 4473 and the seller, (the person who verified the identity of the buyer) must also sign the form. This is federal law; it applies in all states.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/atf-f-4473.html
Only a private individual, some not licensed to sell firearms and not in the business of selling firearms, can legally sell a firearm without completing the background check and form 4473.
Gun shows provide no loopholes. It does give a common place for individuals, not dealers, to come together to buy and sell. Dealers still must obey the same rules that apply to their stores, internet sales or any other firearm transactions.
>>Trying to even find seven private pistols to purchase at a gunshow would be near impossible.
Most gunshows around here (NE FL) have a few tables set up by people who are private sellers. They have anywhere from 2 to as many as 10 handguns (usually six or so). Their prices are ridiculous and they tell everyone who stops to look that “you can get these without paper”. These people represent the real “gun show loophole” becuase they paid for that table and that makes them a business, IMO. But, the ATF people at the show just walk right past them.
Now, the gummint wants to use that easy-to-close loophole to ban the private sale of all firearms. But, even with these unlicensed table vendors, almost all guns sold at our gunshows are through FFLs and have a background check because the licensed dealers have better stuff at much lower prices.
And the ATF could already crack down on those folks if they chose to.
In fact, they might be ATF agents if they are being so brazen about it.
I’ve certainly witnessed a few people cuffed at gunshows over the last 10 years for doing precisely that. I am a C&R FFL, and occasionally some C&R will think they have a license to conduct business, as long as they deal in C&R firearms. They don’t and they get cuffed.
In PA you can buy a long gun w/o FFL but NOT a handgun.Common to see people(not a dealer) at gun shows with a sign “For Sale” stuck in the barrel while walking around.
It would be very interesting to run Obama’s information through the background check system. I wonder what the computer would say.
The immediate question should have been asked: "Why wasn't the guy busted as a Straw Man?" I believe that if you buy more than three handguns from one FFL, he has to notify the BATF. Long arms, I don't know.
If the Feds were REALLY concerned about Straw purchasers, other than as a talking point, all they'd have to do is bust one or two guys, fine 'em the $250,000 and impose the 10-year prison term FOR EACH FIREARM, widely publicize that fact and watch that problem disappear overnight.
What Beckel described is a straw purchase and is already illega.
Now - I keep hearing the same lies over and over on the radio and television. While I have no proof, I just know that many people are emailing/phoning these news stations and telling them that what is being said are lies. Yet, the same lie keeps getting repeated over and over. And as I said in my first post, even people like Hannity keep repeating this lie and not refute it. Is this the overall agenda from all news/cable networks?
Your preachin’ to the choir.
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