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To: Jeff Winston; DiogenesLamp
So THEN, he goes and edits Madisons quote - selectively eliminating a whole passage that is absolutely relevant to the meaning without even providing an ellipsis to show he's deleted stuff.

The bizarre thing is, he and I tangled on some birther issue a while back without either of us becoming insulting, and at the end of the conversation we acknowledged each other's civility. So when I pointed out his edited quote, it was meant almost in a teasing fashion--like "Dude, you just did the very thing you complain about." I didn't really think he was trying to deceive, but if you're going to make a huge issue out of someone else's treatment of quotes, you better damn sight make sure you treat them properly yourself--a Caesar's wife kind of thing. The violence of his reaction now makes me wonder if he knew full well what he was doing.

277 posted on 04/19/2013 3:40:14 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
The bizarre thing is, he and I tangled on some birther issue a while back without either of us becoming insulting, and at the end of the conversation we acknowledged each other's civility. So when I pointed out his edited quote, it was meant almost in a teasing fashion--like "Dude, you just did the very thing you complain about."

The DIFFERENCE, is the stuff I didn't bother posting (because it was too long and irrelevant) does not CHANGE THE MEANING of what was quoted. It is an elaboration of what Madison had already said, but not contextually different.

What JEFF attempted to do was to change the understanding of Bingham's position completely, and not by Accident or laziness. By DELIBERATE intent to deceive us into believing that merely "birth in the republic" was all that was necessary, when the rest of the quote explicitly clarified that it was not.

I didn't really think he was trying to deceive, but if you're going to make a huge issue out of someone else's treatment of quotes, you better damn sight make sure you treat them properly yourself--a Caesar's wife kind of thing. The violence of his reaction now makes me wonder if he knew full well what he was doing.

The Issue was never about leaving out some of a quote. Many quotes are too long anyways, the issue is leaving out THE section of a quote which COMPLETELY changes it's meaning. What Jeff intentionally left out rebukes his argument. What I left out was immaterial elaboration on what Madison had already said, and it did not add anything appreciable to it's meaning.

And then you come along and say the one thing is exactly like the other, And then you grab the rest of the text and stick it back in while highlighting it as if it was some great revelation? The omitted text was trivial and irrelevant, but you acted like it completely reversed the meaning. I could only interpret this as behaving like a Pr*ck. I'm fed up with dealing with these sorts of misdirections. I waste time enough arguing with Jeff.

284 posted on 04/19/2013 8:23:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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