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To: Jeff Winston
By the way, Wilson and Cook weren't the only Representatives who contradicted your BS.

You are still trying to lie. This is what Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee James F. Wilson of Iowa had to say on the matter.

Rep. James F. Wilson

“We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations* for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”*

Don't look now Jeff, but James F. Wilson just B*tchslapped you! Stop lying Jeff. Just STOP IT!

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* The vast majority of Nations only recognize Jus Sanguinus citizenship.

162 posted on 04/17/2013 12:35:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Don't look now Jeff, but James F. Wilson just B*tchslapped you! Stop lying Jeff. Just STOP IT!

You mean b*tchslapped YOU, DiogenesLamp? Yes, he most certainly did.

Why didn't you include the full quote, like I did?

Never mind. I'll answer that.

Because you're a lying scumbag who does exactly what he falsely accuses others of doing, that's why.

Let's repeat the full quote from Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee James F. Wilson of Iowa, which you misquote.

Your misquote:

“We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”

What Wilson actually said, as recorded in the Congressional Globe:

It is in vain we look into the Constitution of the United States for a definition of the term "citizen." It speaks of citizens, but in no express terms defines what it means by it. We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments, are native-born citizens of the United States. Thus it is expressed by a writer on the Constitution of the United States:

"Every person born within the United States, its Territories, or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural-born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity." -- Rawle on the Constitution, p. 80.

Now it's not entirely clear to me whether the last part of his sentence is recorded correctly, as it doesn't seem to quite make sense. Since everyone pretty much equated "native-born" with "natural-born," I strongly suspect that a "NOT" may have gotten dropped out by the person doing the transcription. They didn't have machines for that in those days.

Be that as it may, it seems clear that Wilson was saying that children of temporary sojourners, as well as the children of ambassadors, MIGHT be excluded. He didn't seem entirely definite about that, and I think his indefiniteness was an accurate reflection of the state of the law.

I don't see how you can possibly accuse me of "lying," when I have consistently said that there's at least SOME argument to be made against the children of NON-RESIDENT, temporarily visiting aliens, being natural born citizens.

But there is NO argument to be made that the children of RESIDENT aliens, and Wilson makes this absolutely clear.

In other words, he absolutely b*tch-slaps (to use your words) everything that you've been claiming here for the past two or three years.

Again, Wilson and I are in perfect agreement. I said that the children born here of alien parents, generally speaking, are natural born citizens. Wilson says they are natural born citizens.

I said that the children of foreign ambassadors are excluded. Wilson says, or at least strongly implies, that they are excluded.

I said that there was at least some argument to be made against the children of temporary foreign visitors being natural born US citizens. Wilson says "it may be" that children of such people are also excluded.

So Wilson and I are in perfect agreement.

And YOU, Mac, have been (to again use your words) b*tch-slapped by yet another authority that you hoped to use to make your stupid, Constitution-twisting, nutjob, conspiracy-theorist, birther argument.

165 posted on 04/17/2013 1:06:48 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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