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To: DiogenesLamp
You keep thinking that truth can be decided by a vote, (argumentum ad numerum) even when you don't understand the issue upon which a vote is being held. God! What a fool you are.

Once again, you demonstrate what a complete FRAUD and TWISTER of both history and the Constitution you are.

When virtually every credible LEGAL EXPERT in American history is unanimous in their statements of what natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility entail, you call that "argumentum ad numerum."

When virtually NO LEGAL EXPERT in all of history supports your BS claims, what exactly do you call that?

Essentially you're saying that if almost every legal expert in history says something, and someone points out the fact of the COMBINED AUTHORITY OF VIRTUALLY EVERY GENUINE LEGAL EXPERT IN HISTORY, that person is making an "argumentum ad numerum."

But YOU can sit here and spout some BS that is genuinely supported by virtually NO real legal expert, in all of history, and why, there's no fallacy there!!

Since the real experts don't support you, you trot out anyone who does (David Ramsay, Samuel Roberts, and Herb Titus) and pretend, no matter HOW weak their "qualifications," that they're better experts than our actual experts.

Since the real experts don't support you, you try and discredit them when they say you're full of BS, or claim they didn't say what they actually said (William Rawle, US v. Wong Kim Ark, etc.)

Since the real experts don't support you, you twist the words of legitimate figures to try and make them SEEM to support you (Minor v. Happersett, John Bingham, Jacob Howard, etc.)

You are both a fraud and an idiot.

A fraud, for making literally dozens of readily documentable fallacious arguments for your wagonload of BS that you want to dump on others, and an idiot for continuing to push the point after fraud upon fraud by you has already been publicly exposed.

126 posted on 04/16/2013 1:59:25 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
When virtually every credible LEGAL EXPERT in American history is unanimous in their statements of what natural born citizenship and Presidential eligibility entail, you call that "argumentum ad numerum."

And here is more examples of your blatant LYING. You keep saying "every credible LEGAL EXPERT" which is a bald faced lie! Virtually all the ones you quote simply parrot Rawle, or secondary iterations of him. All of these so-called "experts" boil down to "Well Rawle said..."

Once Again, you don't comprehend that NUMBERS do not equal TRUTH.

Furthermore, I would say that because YOU are a F***ING IDIOT, you need to stop using the term "Fallacious" because you have no understanding of what that word means.

Since the real experts don't support you, you twist the words of legitimate figures to try and make them SEEM to support you (Minor v. Happersett, John Bingham, Jacob Howard, etc.)

And this is where I wish you could be made to SHUT UP YOUR F***ING LYING!!!!

John Bingham said:

I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, [nc - prior to the 14th Amendment] that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen; but, sir, I may be allowed to say further, that I deny that the Congress of the United States ever had the power or color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, not owing a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States. Citizenship is his birthright, and neither the Congress nor the States can justly or lawfully take it from him.

I directly quote EXACTLY what Bingham said, with No ambiguity to it whatsoever, and you assert i'm twisting his words? You are the one that knowingly and intentionally cut out his quote just before he specifically said "of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty". It's not that you didn't see it, it's that you willfully, and with intent to deceive, removed it from his statement.

Again, YOU are the intellectually dishonest liar that haunts this forum. Bingham, Howard, Trubull and Wilson explicitly stated that citizenship would not be given to aliens or temporary sojourners. You are the one that keeps trying to suggest that these men were idiots, and supported Birth tourism and Anchor babies, when all four of them explicitly stated that these were exceptions.

131 posted on 04/16/2013 2:56:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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