YOU'RE here pleading David Ramsay, who couldn't even get more than ONE vote in the House of Representatives and who was shot down by Father of the Constitution James Madison.
YOU'RE here pleading Samuel Roberts, who was simply a minor judge whose jurisdiction extended to several COUNTIES.
And whose opinion was shot down in no uncertain terms by the US District Attorney for the entire State.
YOU'RE here pleading Alexander Porter Morse, who had no association with the Founders at all, and who at one point contradicts himself, and you.
YOU'RE here pleading Senator Jacob Howard, who as far as we can tell, didn't even start talking about citizenship until 75 years after the Constitution was written.
Who also was there when his fellow Senators said children born in the United States of non-citizen parents were natural born citizens, even if the parents were only here temporarily, unless their parents were ambassadors, and who never raised the slightest objection to that.
YOU'RE here pretending that James Madison supports you, when Madison said that when it comes to the allegiance that makes for citizenship, "place" is "the more certain" criterion, and is "what applies in the United States."
YOU'RE here pretending that a pseudonymous letter-writer to a newspaper in 1812 was President James Madison, when there's really nothing of any substance at all to indicate the letter writer was Madison, and he - or she - could just as well have been any one of literally millions of other people.
You are a FRAUD. And your FRAUDNESS is shown quite clearly by demanding extraordinary linkages to the Founding Fathers that go far, FAR beyond anything that you yourself can POSSIBLY produce in support of your bogus, dishonest twisting of history and our Constitution.
I am working on an answer to the rest of your BS, but I have other things I'm doing, and it's taking a bit of time.
Suffice it to say for the moment, William Rawle was a much more authoritative spokesman for the Founding Fathers and Framers than I even realized. What I am writing in response to your BS is important enough that I am probably going to publish it here as a an entirely separate post.
We have literally TONS of evidence throughout history that your entire claim is absolute BS.
But even if we ONLY had William Rawle to rely on, Rawle alone utterly destroys your Constitution-twisting claim.
For the record, James Madison said that place was “the MOST certain criterion” of allegiance, not the “more” certain criterion.
Here is an excerpt of William Loughton Smith's rebuttal to Dr Ramsay's accusation, (That he hadn't been a citizen for the required 7 years.) Which were both Published in the "State Gazette of South Carolina" and submitted as evidence in the Congressional hearing on the matter.
The Doctor says the circumstance of birth does not make a citizen- This I also deny. Vattel says, " The country of the father is that of the children, and these become citizens merely by their tacit consent. " I was born a Carolinian, and I defy the Doctor with all his ingenuity, arimetical or political, to say at what moment I was disfranchised- at what moment I lost my citizenship. The revolution which took place in America made me a citizen of America under the new government, though then resident at Geneva. I never by any act disqualified myself. There never was a moment when I became a citizen of any other country. I never took and oath of any kind in my life, till I was admitted at the bar in Carolina. I never paid any tax to any other country- therefore, unless I was a citizen of South Carolina, I should be glad the Doctor's great ingenuity in discoveries would inform me what country I was a citizen of....
The Doctor thinking himself a very popular man and having no doubt that his being named a candidate was sufficient to carry his election throughout the district, when he found that he stood no chance of being elected by his own merits, he thought he would try what he could obtain by the demerit of his opponent. Not finding any thing in his character or morals, which he dared attack, he was driven to this expedient: he attacked his right of citizenship, his birth right-the inheritance of his ancestors- that, which at the age of eleven, when an orphan, was left him by his father!
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But I should be unworthy of the good opinion of my fellow citizens, were I, for an instant, to suffer their minds to be biased by such attempts, or a reflection to be thrown on those who have, at various times, since my return to Carolina, given me their votes for public offices. When it is recollected that my ancestors came into Carolina upwards of a hundred years ago-that I was born in this very city-that every thing I hold most dear in the world is in Carolina, nay, in this very district; I trust my countrymen, will not suffer themselves to be duped with the artifices which have been made use of, and will not think that my having been a few years in Europe for my education, with the public consent, should deprive me of my right of citizenship.
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And this last part, just for kicks.
The Doctor however declares that he will not, if elected, endeavor to procure the emancipation of slaves; but then he must act contrary to his principles and sentiments, and surely he would not wish the citizens of the district should impose so painful a burden upon him as to require him to thwart perpetually his own sentiments and principles. It is very well known that his principled against slavery, and it is idle for him to contradict what is so universally known. People can see, hear, and recollect as well as the Doctor and his handing about pamphlets imported from the northward against slavery, is a strong proof of his inclination to abolish it.
So William Loughton Smith Himself invokes Vattel, and urges consideration of his birthright through his father and ancestors. Nitwit Jeff Winston thinks the ENTIRE vote was a specific affirmation of the word "Place".
I think he is just too stubborn or too stupid to learn.