[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***and lectured about dissonance and ugliness for its own sake.***

Same here. Many of us did not like the crap we were being taught. We wanted to learn to draw, and paint, not crap about the beauty of twisted metal. I was working days in a steel shop and saw lots of twisted metal and it was NOT ART.

I eventually had to teach myself.

[left that other site]

Same here.

I also taught myself music composition and audio engineering, but I have seen even those processes degenerate into a form of industrial, monotonous drivel. I know HOW to use beat-box and looping software, but I choose to create music WITHOUT them.

[left that other site]

In my South Florida town, there are the most hideous “twisted metal” sculptures on every street corner.

Turns out these were all paid for with tax money.